No apologies

Recently on the rush limbau program a man called in and it was the same old rederic about mitt romeney and the LDS church and there stance on blacks and the priesthood.
I have got to write about this subject. I know it is a sensitive one but i think very few people know much about the actual facts and if John McCain realy does pick Mitt Romeney as his running mate this is going to come up all over the place if Barak Obama is the opposing canadate
First let me say that i dont think the church needs to apolagize for anything they have stood on both sides of the issue threw out history and they have stood by what they believed in and what there doctorine is no matter how unpopular it was to the Majority
Few people know that Joseph Smith was an actual canadite for President of the United States few people know that after 2 times he was actuley a very possible canadite with a large population following after him it was his stance against Slavery probley the hottest topic of the time that was one of the reasons of the hatred against him it was his over whelming amount of votes that he could bring in from the south Missouri becouse of the churches large population there still at the time he was a canadite that could win and the talk of the time was unite the south and north. This was also one of the reasons Mobs were after him his stance against slavery.
Many people know the story about Joseph Smith haveing a recently converted slave show up in Nauvoo he had been baptized recently had exscaped and ran away. At the time the law was very strict against those who escaped and those who harberd them. Joseph told the man he needed to return to his master, odd some might say, but he continued and promiced the man he would be ok. Joseph then turned sold his own horse then went and bought the mans freedom.
Many know this story but few know what else Joseph returned with, He returned with records of the slaves and the free slaves of the times the church has recently released the Freedman's Bank Records
this work and many others never would have been possible if not for the churchs work in the early 1800s
the other think that was extreamly unpopular at the time all black members of the church at the time were given all rights and an equal vote in the church and sustaining offices and callings in the church
the closest thing to that at the time was the demacrats leting the votes of a black man count at 3/5 of a vote
the church has put forth an amazing effort to bring more then 500000 names of the slaves and the african american geneolagy to the world and it would have been possible if they had not gone so contraditory to the thoughts of the times and worked so hard at compialing the work
as the saints moved west there stance on slavery and womans right to vote followed them this was one of the things that kept utah from being a state for so long because the church alowed women and blacks to vote very contradictory to the thought of the times
as the church progressed they have continued to stand up for equal rights.
The revelation in the 70's was given opening up the Priesthood to blacks some say this was a following of the human rights and equal movement of the time. No this was working threw the churchs way. It was the world finaly catching up to were the church had been for more then a hundred years
please if you have ?'s about this lets talk about it

Memorial Day

I have got to let everyone know about this site it is memorial day weekend people and sence we cant afford to do the normal traveling this year lets remember Memorial Day for what it was made for.
http://go.footnote.com/thewall/

This is the most amazing site take 10 minutes and read a story just at randem or look up someone you know make the loss of these more then 50000 names personal people we have 2 wars going on and deaths happening everyday. Allot of people have compared the war in Iraq with The war in Vietnam. That is another debate for another day. But Please people remember the men and women that have died for this country we are so busy driveing into the ground.

Can You imagine

Do you think anyone has the balls to do this today, or is there anyone out there that has this much smarts,
Einstine said it was becouse he stood on the shoulders of all those who came before him that he could see so far

It is because of are for fathers like this man that we are where we are today, what the hell are we doing to there legasy
Its a long story but if you cant take the time to read it you will never make the sacrifice it will take to make this nation great again

Originally published in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett," by Edward Sylvester Ellis.

One day in the House of Representatives a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The speaker was just about to put the question when Crockett arose:

"Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member on this floor knows it.

We have the right as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I ever heard that the government was in arrears to him.

"Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and, of course, was lost.

Later, when asked by a friend why he had opposed the appropriation, Crockett gave this explanation:

"Several years ago I was one evening standing on the steps of the Capitol with some members of Congress, when our attention was attracted by a great light over in Georgetown. It was evidently a large fire. We jumped into a hack and drove over as fast as we could. In spite of all that could be done, many houses were burned and many families made houseless, and besides, some of them had lost all but the clothes they had on. The weather was very cold, and when I saw so many children suffering, I felt that something ought to be done for them. The next morning a bill was introduced appropriating $20,000 for their relief. We put aside all other business and rushed it through as soon as it could be done.

"The next summer, when it began to be time to think about election, I concluded I would take a scout around among the boys of my district. I had no opposition there but, as the election was some time off, I did not know what might turn up. When riding one day in a part of my district in which I was more of a stranger than any other, I saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward the road. I gauged my gait so that we should meet as he came up, I spoke to the man. He replied politely, but as I thought, rather coldly.

"I began: 'Well friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called candidates and---

"Yes I know you; you are Colonel Crockett. I have seen you once before, and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you are out electioneering now, but you had better not waste your time or mine, I shall not vote for you again."

"This was a sockdolger...I begged him tell me what was the matter.

"Well Colonel, it is hardly worthwhile to waste time or words upon it. I do not see how it can be mended, but you gave a vote last winter which shows that either you have not capacity to understand the Constitution, or that you are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be guided by it. In either case you are not the man to represent me. But I beg your pardon for expressing it that way. I did not intend to avail myself of the privilege of the constituent to speak plainly to a candidate for the purpose of insulting you or wounding you.'

"I intend by it only to say that your understanding of the constitution is very different from mine; and I will say to you what but for my rudeness, I should not have said, that I believe you to be honest.

But an understanding of the constitution different from mine I cannot overlook, because the Constitution, to be worth anything, must be held sacred, and rigidly observed in all its provisions. The man who wields power and misinterprets it is the more dangerous the honest he is.'

" 'I admit the truth of all you say, but there must be some mistake. Though I live in the backwoods and seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington and read very carefully all the proceedings of Congress. My papers say you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some sufferers by fire in Georgetown. Is that true?

"Well my friend; I may as well own up. You have got me there. But certainly nobody will complain that a great and rich country like ours should give the insignificant sum of $20,000 to relieve its suffering women and children, particularly with a full and overflowing treasury, and I am sure, if you had been there, you would have done just the same as I did.'

"It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle. In the first place, the government ought to have in the Treasury no more than enough for its legitimate purposes. But that has nothing with the question. The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man, particularly under our system of collecting revenue by a tariff, which reaches every man in the country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is the more he pays in proportion to his means.

What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how much he pays to the government. So you see, that while you are contributing to relieve one, you are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off than he.

If you had the right to give anything, the amount was simply a matter of discretion with you, and you had as much right to give $20,000,000 as $20,000. If you have the right to give at all; and as the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, you are at liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe, or profess to believe, is a charity and to any amount you may think proper. You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other. 'No, Colonel, Congress has no right to give charity.'

"'Individual members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose. If twice as many houses had been burned in this country as in Georgetown, neither you nor any other member of Congress would have Thought of appropriating a dollar for our relief. There are about two hundred and forty members of Congress. If they had shown their sympathy for the sufferers by contributing each one week's pay, it would have made over $13,000. There are plenty of wealthy men around Washington who could have given $20,000 without depriving themselves of even a luxury of life.'

"The congressmen chose to keep their own money, which, if reports be true, some of them spend not very creditably; and the people about Washington, no doubt, applauded you for relieving them from necessity of giving what was not yours to give. The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution.'

"'So you see, Colonel, you have violated the Constitution in what I consider a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits of the Constitution, there is no limit to it, and no security for the people. I have no doubt you acted honestly, but that does not make it any better, except as far as you are personally concerned, and you see that I cannot vote for you.'

"I tell you I felt streaked. I saw if I should have opposition, and this man should go to talking and in that district I was a gone fawn-skin. I could not answer him, and the fact is, I was so fully convinced that he was right, I did not want to. But I must satisfy him, and I said to him:

"Well, my friend, you hit the nail upon the head when you said I had not sense enough to understand the Constitution. I intended to be guided by it, and thought I had studied it fully. I have heard many speeches in Congress about the powers of Congress, but what you have said here at your plow has got more hard, sound sense in it than all the fine speeches I ever heard. If I had ever taken the view of it that you have, I would have put my head into the fire before I would have given that vote; and if you will forgive me and vote for me again, if I ever vote for another unconstitutional law I wish I may be shot.'

"He laughingly replied; 'Yes, Colonel, you have sworn to that once before, but I will trust you again upon one condition. You are convinced that your vote was wrong. Your acknowledgment of it will do more good than beating you for it. If, as you go around the district, you will tell people about this vote, and that you are satisfied it was wrong, I will not only vote for you, but will do what I can to keep down opposition, and perhaps, I may exert some little influence in that way.'

"If I don't, said I, 'I wish I may be shot; and to convince you that I am in earnest in what I say I will come back this way in a week or ten days, and if you will get up a gathering of people, I will make a speech to them. Get up a barbecue, and I will pay for it.'

"No, Colonel, we are not rich people in this section but we have plenty of provisions to contribute for a barbecue, and some to spare for those who have none. The push of crops will be over in a few days, and we can then afford a day for a barbecue. 'This Thursday; I will see to getting it up on Saturday week. Come to my house on Friday, and we will go together, and I promise you a very respectable crowd to see and hear you.

"'Well I will be here. But one thing more before I say good-bye. I must know your name."

"'My name is Bunce.'

"'Not Horatio Bunce?'

"'Yes

"'Well, Mr. Bunce, I never saw you before, though you say you have seen me, but I know you very well. I am glad I have met you, and very proud that I may hope to have you for my friend.'

"It was one of the luckiest hits of my life that I met him. He mingled but little with the public, but was widely known for his remarkable intelligence, and for a heart brim-full and running over with kindness and benevolence, which showed themselves not only in words but in acts. He was the oracle of the whole country around him, and his fame had extended far beyond the circle of his immediate acquaintance. Though I had never met him, before, I had heard much of him, and but for this meeting it is very likely I should have had opposition, and had been beaten. One thing is very certain, no man could now stand up in that district under such a vote.

"At the appointed time I was at his house, having told our conversation to every crowd I had met, and to every man I stayed all night with, and I found that it gave the people an interest and confidence in me stronger than I had ever seen manifested before.

"Though I was considerably fatigued when I reached his house, and, under ordinary circumstances, should have gone early to bed, I kept him up until midnight talking about the principles and affairs of government, and got more real, true knowledge of them than I had got all my life before."

"I have known and seen much of him since, for I respect him - no, that is not the word - I reverence and love him more than any living man, and I go to see him two or three times every year; and I will tell you, sir, if every one who professes to be a Christian lived and acted and enjoyed it as he does, the religion of Christ would take the world by storm.

"But to return to my story. The next morning we went to the barbecue and, to my surprise, found about a thousand men there. I met a good many whom I had not known before, and they and my friend introduced me around until I had got pretty well acquainted - at least, they all knew me.

"In due time notice was given that I would speak to them. They gathered up around a stand that had been erected. I opened my speech by saying:

"Fellow-citizens - I present myself before you today feeling like a new man. My eyes have lately been opened to truths which ignorance or prejudice or both, had heretofore hidden from my view. I feel that I can today offer you the ability to render you more valuable service than I have ever been able to render before. I am here today more for the purpose of acknowledging my error than to seek your votes. That I should make this acknowledgment is due to myself as well as to you. Whether you will vote for me is a matter for your consideration only."

"I went on to tell them about the fire and my vote for the appropriation and then told them why I was satisfied it was wrong. I closed by saying:

"And now, fellow-citizens, it remains only for me to tell you that the most of the speech you have listened to with so much interest was simply a repetition of the arguments by which your neighbor, Mr. Bunce, convinced me of my error.

"It is the best speech I ever made in my life, but he is entitled to the credit for it. And now I hope he is satisfied with his convert and that he will get up here and tell you so.'

"He came up to the stand and said:

"Fellow-citizens - it affords me great pleasure to comply with the request of Colonel Crockett. I have always considered him a thoroughly honest man, and I am satisfied that he will faithfully perform all that he has promised you today.'

"He went down, and there went up from that crowd such a shout for Davy Crockett as his name never called forth before.'

"I am not much given to tears, but I was taken with a choking then and felt some big drops rolling down my cheeks. And I tell you now that the remembrance of those few words spoken by such a man, and the honest, hearty shout they produced, is worth more to me than all the honors I have received and all the reputation I have ever made, or ever shall make, as a member of Congress.'

"Now, sir," concluded Crockett, "you know why I made that speech yesterday. "There is one thing which I will call your attention, "you remember that I proposed to give a week's pay. There are in that House many very wealthy men - men who think nothing of spending a week's pay, or a dozen of them, for a dinner or a wine party when they have something to accomplish by it. Some of those same men made beautiful speeches upon the great debt of gratitude which the country owed the deceased--a debt which could not be paid by money--and the insignificance and worthlessness of money, particularly so insignificant a sum as $20,000 when weighed against the honor of the nation. Yet not one of them responded to my proposition. Money with them is nothing but trash when it is to come out of the people. But it is the one great thing for which most of them are striving, and many of them sacrifice honor, integrity, and justice to obtain it."

Were are the true conservitives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txhabgZF_gE&NR=1

Man watch and learn.
this week i cant believe everthing happend in one week.
why is it people in utah think that if they are homophobs and want to bring back proabition they are true conservitives my gosh people.

Weak Weak Weak people

I can not stand the constant winning of people over the terrible thin that is going on right now in Mianmar, The same people that are winning about it and Darfur and Africa are the same people that are crying becouse of the deaths in Iraq the same people that forced us out of Samolia
When you are bringing food into starving people you have to bring it in with guns bigger guns then the people that want it.
you dont take a shipment of money around without armed force protecting it belive me food is more important and far more powerful. There are curantly 4 U.S. ships sitting outside of thiland loaded to the brim with food and have the marine forces ready to bring it in. I would like to throw out that ONE marine unit could bring this food in over throw this completly bull shit ragieme and feed the people in a matter of hours, The problem is the winning would start in a matter of minutes the winning by the UN that they need to be invalved the winning from russia and china that we have a military force in there part of the world, the whinning
from are own people about why are we there why are are kids dieing there yada yady yada, STOP Whining about it if you are not willing to fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personal Servey

I am working on a essay as a future post on the Cost of Life
i want to know how many of you care about the deaths that are happening in Mianmar because of the none willingness of there military coe leaders to let us bring aid in
let me know

I wish we had another BranchDavidian on are Hands in Texas

Honestly I wish the FLDS raid would have been a little more like the hole David Coresh and the branch davidian compound from years ago. Let me explain.
I have tried to fight so much for the Rights that are so grossly being over looked for the people in the FLDS compound. I think that I am with the minority because I am ok with a lot of there believes and I think they definently have the right to practice there religion. Tonight why I was thinking about it though I thought about what I would do. That is why we want to fight for there rights because if we let it slide who is to say that the next state or Child services wont kick are door down because are believes are weird.
So what would I have done? The fact of the matter is if you love someone you fight for them. No matter what even when my spouse is wrong she knows I got her back and I will fight for her.(ill just make fun of her being wrong that night together)
If anyone tries anything with my children they are dead no questions no second guessing they are dead.
So if someone was coming to take my wives or children away from me I would kill them there would be helicopters over my head and people would be dropping like flies until I am dead and then I would punch St. Peter in the mouth come back and fire off one more shot.
If you are a rapist or a pedophile you don’t care about your victim. You give them up with out a fight..With the cases I was involved in for my short time with the county sheriff it seemed like deep down they felt guilty and wanted to be caught. It seems that way with this case as well. That is why I wish so badly that these men had turned it into another branch davidian. Even with the sect groups and people that get out of the FLDS here. They worry about there little brothers and sisters. They worry about there family back. Just like Solomon went to cut the baby in half to find the true mother. We need a judge to be as wise as Solomon with this case and im sorry to say I haven’t seen it yet in the judges in Texas. The children are aching for there sibling and Texas has divided them some of the mothers are begging for there children. This is were the true love is found. Where the hell have the so called fathers diapered to.
There are mothers who will have a baby in the Gastation bathroom and discard it into the dumpster, so sadly in this day and age we cant even just count on the mother intuition things to sort this case out some of these mothers are giving up there kids to pedophiles. But sibling need to be together to get threw this crazy hard time together and the mothers even under age Mothers! Who love and want there kids need them.
You know each one of those foster families are not under police protection, even if a father broke in and took his kids back and disapeared back to Hildaile so they could be togather, I could support that. It would at least be showing some fathers love. I just wish they would fight themselves it would at least give us some ammo to fight for them as well. Just giving up shows they are guilty and just like any other pediphile they will disapear and go find another playground to find the next victim.

Something for us all who have sent rounds down range to think about

THE FINAL
INSPECTION

The Marine stood and faced God,

Which must always come to pass.

He hoped his shoes were shining,

Just as brightly as his brass.

"Step forward now, Marine,

How shall I deal with you?

Have you always turned the other cheek?

To My Church have you been true?"

The soldier squared his shoulders and said,

"No, Lord, I guess I ain't.

Because those of us who carry guns,

Can't always be a saint.

I've had to work most Sundays,

And at times my talk was tough.

And sometimes I've been violent,

Because the world is awfully rough.

But, I never took a penny,

That wasn't mine to keep...

Though I worked a lot of overtime,

When the bills got just too steep.

And I never passed a cry for help,

Though at times I shook with fear.

And sometimes, God, forgive me,

I've wept unmanly tears.

I know I don't deserve a place,

Among the people here.

They never wanted me around,

Except to calm their fears

If you've a place for me here, Lord,

It needn't be so grand.

I never expected or had too much,

But if you don't, I'll understand.

There was a silence all around the throne,

Where the saints had often trod.

As the Marine waited quietly,

For the judgment of his God.

"Step forward now, you Marine,

You've borne your burdens well.

Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,

You've done your time in Hell."

~Author Unknown~

Meaning of Matthew 18-6

My good friend over at For the people Tom grover had this to say

End the suffering for the FLDS kids

From the Tribune:

Dallas attorney Polly R. O’Toole said she visited two facilities on Monday: Boysville Inc., which has 17 FLDS children; and Baptist Children’s Residential Emergency Shelter, which has 71. Staff at the facilities are “generous, caring and concerned” but also complained about the lack of information and direction from CPS, she said.
She also said that, contrary to a courtroom pledge by CPS, sibling groups have been split up. Eight children from one monogamous family have been sent to five different shelters, she said. Another little girl is in a shelter an hour away from the group home where her sisters are, O’Toole said.
Azar acknowledged the state had broken up sibling groups but said officials were working to reunite at least some of them. He said making placements was difficult given that the “children don’t even want to answer you what their name is and where they feel everyone is their brother and sister.”

These kids are being abused by the State of Texas. And no one cares because of the indignation that comes with accusations of sex crimes. No one is watching out for their individual rights. They are guilty of having weird parents, which in Texas, is apparently a crime punished by incompetent administration of custody by Texas CPS.

Come on, Texas.

If there have been sex crimes, figure out who is responsible and prosecute them.

And liberate the rest of the children and send them home. They are suffering being away from their siblings, parents and community.

This is wrong, cruel and un-American.

1. 1. Matt. 18: 6

      6 But whoso shall ^aoffend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

-Tom

Comments

Comment from Kara
Time: April 30, 2008, 12:33 pm

Your use of the Bible to support your point confuses me. Matthew 18:6 is talking about “offending” in the sense that if a person causes a little one to fall away (from their saving faith in Jesus), they should be cast out of the kingdom of heaven. I don’t see the connection you’re stretching to make between the state of Texas and you saying they should be cast from heaven. That’s too much of an inaccurate use of the Bible. Perhaps a closer examination of scripture is needed.

Comment from Tom Grover
Time: April 30, 2008, 2:11 pm

Kara,

Everyone interprets the Bible differently (which is why Christianity is fragmented). I interpret it as Jesus has little patience and an abundance of vengence for those who harm children.

Comment from Kara
Time: April 30, 2008, 4:23 pm

Tom,

If you are going to interpret the Bible, you you should be interpreting it according to the context the verse is in, not according to what you think or want it to say to support your viewpoints. If you look at the context of Matthew 18- you will see Jesus is talking about entering the kingdom of heaven and what needs to be done to enter it, not about the treatment of children on earth.

Comment from Tom Grover
Time: April 30, 2008, 5:00 pm

If that’s how you read the Bible, I totally support you in your interpretation.

Comment from Kara
Time: April 30, 2008, 9:48 pm

I’m by no means looking for support on Biblical interpretation from you, Tom. I’m simply encouraging you to make sure your facts (in this case Bible interpretation) are accurate before you go posting them on your site. Your posting would have still been if you had left the scripture verse out of it.

Comment from James
Time: May 1, 2008, 4:57 pm

Heads-Up people,
Texas did exactly the right thing to step in and put a stop to child & women abuse, rape and polygamy in the FLDS and their sympathizers from spreading. As Sen. Harry Reid suggests, it is shameful that the State Attorney Generals of Utah, Nevada, Colorado, etc., continue to tolerate the unlawful treatment of children by these rape/pedophile acts in their own communities and bury their heads in the sand. People need to write and urge their own States to take similar action and investigate, prosecute and jail the organized LDS criminals, as the Texans intend to do. Thanks Texas for taking legal action to stop the rampant LDS pedophiles and their accomplices in this twisted faith.
Logan, UT

Comment from Tom Grover
Time: May 1, 2008, 5:04 pm

James, if there has been abuse, where is the evidence?

Comment from Aaron Orgill
Time: May 1, 2008, 5:36 pm

Kara, who died and made you Pope, or Supreme Pastor?

Comment from plowking
Time: May 1, 2008, 8:16 pm

Kara, Let me start with i found your comments very interesting in the fact that i would love to go back into the marines as a Non-denominational chaplain, In such i have studied many diffrent religions, and i have always heard Christian pastors and other chaplains use this verse similar to what tom is saying. I have heard many say that we are all God are Fathers little ones and so by offending a believer, you are offending one of are Fathers little ones ver. 7 if this is what you are refering to ok. But i would say tom is dead on. God is a God of justices as well and justices must be served. And if the abuse charges of these men are true they best be looking for a milestone and the deapest part of the ocean they can find when his judgements are being handed out and that goes for the texas officals as well in there treatment of these kids as cattle. They are not just another herd taken off a ranch i am realy suprised they havnt followed Hitlers lead and branded these kids with a number to keep track of them maybe then they would know how to count we have seen there lack of education in numbers

As you can see Kara's comments got me thinking and i would realy like to hear everybodys comments and thoughts on this i am plowking and also i tried posting this but it didnt come up

Further more matthew 18 you are right Christ is talking about what it takes to enter his kingdom and the subject of forgiving are trespassers there trespasses. This rule is to be followed in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. then Christ goes on to say about his little ones, Which as i said before can be interpreted as us all. But if Christ the forgiver of all has a hard time forgiving such actions against his little ones that should say something to the offenses against the completely innocent. As with all of Christs teachings it is a parable and can be dove into deeper and deeper with every line but i think there is a reason that in ver. 2 Jesus called the little child to come befor them and stay in there midst while he tought the parrible.

Sorry tom for turning your blog into a religious descusion but i gess us crazy theocons do that Kara please share more of your interpritations with me thow as i said i would love to hear a new point. if you want continue on my blog http://thenationstavern.blogspot.com/