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Trying to get back in the spirit of Thanksgiving

2009-11-26T10:24:00.000-08:00

The news of the charges being brought against the Navy seals REALY REALY REALY!!!!!!!! ruined my mood for thanksgiving. This nation is truly undisirving of the peace that it is provided with the smack in the face of those who provide it.

The only thing that can get me back in the mood is i have to read and re read the origonal procliamation of Thanksgiving by George Washington in 1789. Finaly after about the 5th time of reading and re reading threw it. And reading about Rod Woodsons Thanksgiving donation of 2 million dollars to a childrians hospital. I finaly will be able to enjoy my favorite holiday.

"And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions"

I hope we plead for forgiveness for the stupidity and insult we have thrown to are national hero's.

George Washington's Thanksgiving Proclamation

Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor -- and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me "to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness."

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be -- That we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks -- for His kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation -- for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of His Providence which we experienced in the tranquility [sic], union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed -- for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One [capital O] now lately instituted -- for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which He hath been pleased to confer upon us.

And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions -- to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually -- to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed -- to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn [sic] kindness onto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord -- To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease [sic] of science among them and us -- and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

Given under my hand at the City of New York
the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789
George Washington

will it be by the Rifle that we must retake are nation

2009-03-17T22:18:00.000-07:00

Presidential Address to the First U.S. Congress, the Second Session, President Washington declared:

"...when firearms go, all goes...we need them every hour... Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon and citizens firearms are indelibly related... The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference... they deserve a place of honor with all that's good...From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable ..."

Watching every right and liberty be trampled on. I cant stop asking myself this question will we be able to take this country back in a peacefull manor? or is it time to take it by force are the gods of liberty demanding the blood of the sons of liberty again?

I believe and look to the founding fathers as Prophets to this nation and the founding documents as scripture. When Jefferson pined these words I dont believe he was just stating a hope or a wish i think he was declaring an eternal truth! and as such i think we are at that point again.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

I believe that we have come to such polar opisits of each other that it is time to seperate again the question is can it happen in a peaceful manor or must we fight another Civil/Revolutionary war.
Jefferson went on to state the reasons to seperate from The King of England at the time as i look over that list i cant help but ask myself do we not suffer from the same things from are Fedral Monarchy?

Dont usualy post this stuff but this is a good one

2009-02-21T15:43:00.001-08:00

Subject: You could have heard a pin drop.

When in England , at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell
was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for
Iraq were just an example of 'empire building' by George Bush.

He answered by saying, "Over the years, the United
States has sent many of its fine young men and women
into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders.
The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return
is enough to bury those that did not return."

You could have heard a pin drop.

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There was a conference in France where a number of
international engineers were taking part, including French
and American. During a break, one of the French engineers
came back into the room saying 'Have you heard the latest
dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft
carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What
does he intended to do, bomb them?'
A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: 'Our
carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several
hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply
emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they
have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3,000
people three meals a day , they can produce several
thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each
day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in
transporting victims and injured to and from their flight
deck. We have eleven such ships; how many does
France have?'

You could have heard a pin drop.

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A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference
that included Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian,
Australian and French Navies. At a cocktail reception,
he found himself standing with a large group of Officers
that included personnel from most of those countries.
Everyone w a s chatting away in English as th ey sipped
their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that,
whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn
only English.' He then asked, 'Why is it that we always have
to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking
French?'
Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied 'Maybe
it's because the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans
arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German.'

You co uld have heard a pi n drop.

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AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE...

Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in
Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on.

'You have been to France before, monsieur?' the customs
officer asked sarcastically. Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously.

Then you should know enough to have your passpo rt ready.'
The American said, ''The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it.

'Impossible. Americans always have to show your passports
on arrival in France !'

The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard
look. Then he quietly explained, ''Well, when I came ashore
at Omaha Beach on D-Day in 1944 to help liberate this country,
I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to.'

You could have heard a pin drop.

The number ONE reason the pesents will revolt

2008-12-18T22:52:00.001-08:00

This is what will lead to the next revolution because i am affraid we will not wake up tell it is to late here is more scary prof of how asleep we are.

Madoff and the Failure of the SEC

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Daily Article: Thursday, December 18, 2008 by Briggs Armstrong

Madoff is a perfect case study showing that the SEC is incapable of protecting investors as well as free-market institutions can. The SEC is becoming increasingly irrelevant and people are beginning to take notice. It failed to save investors from the house of cards made up of mortgage-backed securities, credit default swaps, and collateralized debt obligations that resulted from the housing bubble. Now it has failed to protect thousands more individuals and charities from something as simple and old as a Ponzi scheme!

Madoff and the Failure of the SEC

Daily Article by Briggs Armstrong | Posted on 12/18/2008 12:00:00 AM

Ex-Nasdaq Chairman Bernard Madoff

Few Wall Street gurus or members of the financial press, if asked on December 11, would have said that the news of Senate Republicans spurning Bush and killing the automotive bailout would not be the next day's top headline. They would have been sadly mistaken.

News broke on December 12 that Bernard Madoff, former chairman of the NASDAQ stock market, was arrested for committing fraud. This was not in the form of some minor chicanery, but a fifty-billion-dollar scam. Lest the reader think that the word scam is too harsh, I will put it in Madoff's own words; he referred to his operation as "all just one big lie" and "basically, a giant Ponzi scheme."

For those unfamiliar with the nature of a Ponzi scheme, it relies on funds from new investors to pay falsified, and abnormally high, returns to existing investors. As Madoff demonstrated, as long as there is sufficient money coming in, it can reach massive proportions and continue for years.

Madoff managed to lure billions of dollars away from huge charities, as well as wealthy individuals in both the United States and Europe by getting them to invest in his hedge fund. He did so by claiming extraordinary returns (generally in the low double digits). His scheme eventually reached a staggering $50 billion under "management." This all came crashing down around him after market conditions led to a considerable amount of redemptions (investors asked for their money back).

Hedge funds are different from mutual funds in many respects. Most notably, hedge funds are not burdened by the same government regulatory requirements that mutual funds are. They also generally have much different compensation structures and considerably higher barriers to entry for potential investors. Due to hedge funds' relative freedom from excessive government intervention and regulatory burden, they are often able to generate higher returns than the average mutual fund; indeed, most mutual funds underperform compared to the S&P 500 benchmark.

As shocking and unprecedented as this scandal is, many in the financial press are beginning to ask "Where was the SEC?" This is perhaps the most important lesson to be gleaned from this tragedy, which has left countless bankrupt. It seems that everyone wants to know how anyone could be so clever as to run a fifty-billion-dollar Ponzi scheme without the SEC — which has seemingly limitless power and resources at its disposal — ever noticing. After all, if the government couldn't protect people who could? The answer is simple: the free market.

This is not a case in which free-market proponents are forced to theorize countless what-if scenarios regarding a solution that would not involve the government. The free market did spot the problem; it even reported it to the SEC. Perhaps unsurprisingly, all of the warnings were ignored by the SEC, which failed its fiduciary obligation to investors.

Due to the lack of government intervention and regulation with respect to hedge funds, consumers demanded some sort of policing of hedge funds in order to protect investors who lack the knowledge or resources to properly investigate the funds in which they plan to entrust their money. The free market responded to the consumer demand and so-called "due-diligence firms" emerged. Individuals seeking to invest in a hedge fund frequently pay one of these due-diligence firms for their opinion about specific hedge funds.

Due-diligence firms use the fees collected from their clients to hire professionals to meticulously review hedge firms for signs of deceit. One such firm is Aksia LLC. After painstakingly investigating the operations of Madoff's operation, they found several red flags. A brief summary of some of the red flags uncovered by Aksia can be found here. Shockingly, Aksia even uncovered a letter to the SEC dating from 2005 which claimed that Madoff was running a Ponzi scheme. As a result of its investigation, Aksia advised all of its clients not to invest their money in Madoff's hedge fund.

This is a perfect case study showing that the SEC is incapable of protecting investors as well as free-market institutions can. The SEC is becoming increasingly irrelevant and people are beginning to take notice. It failed to save investors from the house of cards made up of mortgage-backed securities, credit default swaps, and collateralized debt obligations that resulted from the housing bubble. Now it has failed to protect thousands more individuals and charities from something as simple and old as a Ponzi scheme!

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It seems that this event will place people into one of two camps. Either people will be disillusioned with the SEC and realize that the only function that it seems to be able to do well is to stand in the way of the free market's self-policing mechanism, or they will come to the erroneous conclusion that there is too little regulation and that the SEC needs more power to protect investors.

I fear that the latter will be the majority, but even so, many will come to see that less government is the real way to protect people. Tragically, it is in the nature of government, when its failures are exposed, to claim that if only it had more power it could have performed its duties in the manner it had promised.

PREPARE FOR AFRICA BOYS!!!

2008-12-17T08:46:00.000-08:00

The Somali Pirates are becoming more and more agressive, and nations are saying enough is enough. A Hollywood President. Were going to Africa Boys begin prepareing now.
Things to look at "Ukrainian ship, the Faina, with 32 battle tanks aboard." What the F*&% was a Ukrainian ship doing with 32 battle tanks on board? Where the hell was it going origanly? With the resent bed buddys of Russia we can only gess? What else did that ship have aboard that they are not talking about and that is now arming the Pirates? And if you got 32 tanks on deck how the hell do a couple of skinny africans in a dingy take you over?
We will be fighting an Africa very diffrent from the one we left. More hostile better armed and extreamly battle ready and exsperianced.

Hijacked by Somali pirates, Centauri, a Greek cargo ship, was released last month. (The Associated Press)

NEWS ANALYSIS

Shipowners losing this battle of wits

By Mark McDonald

Published: December 8, 2008

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HONG KONG: A nightmare scenario has shipowners, insurers, seafarers and naval officers in something of a panic, given a sharp increase in brazen pirate attacks in the Gulf of Aden.

The scenario unfolds with the Somali pirates in control of the Saudi supertanker Sirius Star becoming frustrated in negotiations over their ransom demands. They pump 50,000 gallons of crude oil into the water - a fraction of the tanker's load - and they threaten to leave the pumps running until their demands for $15 million are met. To reinforce their message, they toss a crew member over the side, and he drowns in the oily muck.

The scenario is horrifying but plausible. In the Gulf of Aden alone, the huge expanse of water between Yemen and Somalia, 14 ships are being held for ransom, including the Sirius Star and a Ukrainian ship, the Faina, with 32 battle tanks aboard. Rumors are swirling in the region that both ships could soon be released.

Shipowners and governments are desperately seeking successful countermeasures to address what has clearly become a crisis situation. On Monday, the European Union began a yearlong naval operation in the pirate-infested gulf, the EU's first maritime mission ever.

Eight countries are participating in the flotilla, which will be backed up with three airplanes. Ground-based personnel are at Northwood Headquarters in Britain.

Javier Solana, the EU foreign policy chief, said the mission would have "robust rules of engagement" while coordinating with other navies operating in the region, including those of the United States, India and Russia.

This week the UN Security Council passed a resolution allowing navies to breach the 20-kilometer, or 12-mile, territorial limit and enter Somali waters in pursuit of pirates.

In the gulf this year 102 ships have been attacked and 40 have been hijacked. With 21,000 ships passing through the region each year and only a handful of international navies to run interference, the risk-to-reward ratio for impoverished Somalis has been unbeatable.

"Somali fishermen simply changed their business model, and they've got military hardware in the meantime," said Dieter Berg, head of marine underwriting for the huge reinsurance company Munich Re. "Piracy is now a real industry in Somalia. Whole clans are living off it."

Berg said some pirate outfits were now getting inside information in Europe about upcoming shipments of dangerous cargo and shipping routes, the better to plot and pick their attacks.

Interviews with owners, insurers, security companies and anti-piracy experts suggest that many technical innovations are being tried now, everything from high-tech sonic cannons to jury-rigged electrified wires strung around the hulls of their boats.

Some ships have put on extra crew to stand 24-hour watches. Sonic guns and night-vision goggles are now in such demand in the region that they have doubled in price. Nonlethal weapons like low-impact claymore mines and laser-light rifles known as "dazzle guns" are being considered.

Foam sprayers and high-pressure fire hoses have been used to drench the speedboats of approaching hijackers. Huge floodlights have been installed on ships and gasoline bombs prepared. Some ships are stocking special sprays developed by the U.S. military to make decks so slippery that the pirates, if they do come aboard, will not be able to stand up. Some ships have built - and actually used - panic rooms for crews to hide in.

Private enterprise also is getting involved. A number of the world's best-known security companies, including Blackwater and Aegis, are trying to expand into the maritime-security business. They are offering teams of onboard guards - most of them former military combat veterans - to repel the pirates.

"Blackwater offered to put a couple ships in the water, but they don't have the UN mandate," said Arthur Bowring, managing director of the Hong Kong Shipowners Association, referring to the legal protections afforded national navies. "I've had lots of e-mails from these security companies offering us their services - at vast expense."

The effectiveness of security guards remains to be seen, and most anti-piracy experts and insurers do not endorse the use of armed guards. But without armed guards, some analysts say, there is no real deterrent for the pirates.

"How do pirates in a small boat stop a 30,000-ton ship? It's firearms, that's all it is," Andy MacDonagh, a director of the private military contractor Raven Special Projects, said in an interview with Lloyd's List. "But as soon as you fire back, they are going to turn round and go the other way because they're so vulnerable."

An unarmed three-man team was overwhelmed by pirates who captured the chemical tanker Biscaglia in the gulf last week. The guards, two Britons and an Irishman, jumped overboard as the pirates clambered onto the ship. They were pulled from the water by a helicopter deployed from a nearby French frigate.

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Dont forget to lay your pimp hand down Today

2008-12-15T08:21:00.000-08:00

I saw this and just had to laugh it comes from a blogg i found by just clicking next, somthing i highly recommend doing i always click threw a couple times before closing down and have found more good info that way then any other

Monday, December 08, 2008

Remember this day

International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers - Home

December 17th is International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers. This event was created to call attention to hate crimes committed against sex workers all over the globe. Originally thought of by Dr. Annie Sprinkle and started by the Sex Workers Outreach Project USA as a memorial and vigil for the victims of the Green River Killer in Seattle Washington. International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers has empowered workers from over cities around the world to come together and organize against discrimination and remember victims of violence. During the week of December 17th, sex worker rights organizations will be staging actions and vigils to raise awareness about violence that is commonly committed against sex workers. The assault, battery, rape and murder of sex workers must end. Existing laws prevent sex workers from reporting violence. The stigma and discrimination that is perpetuated by the prohibitionist laws has made violence against us acceptable. Please join with sex workers around the world and stand against criminalization and violence committed against prostitutes.

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Interesting look at it

2008-12-15T08:03:00.000-08:00

Don't Cave

Daily Article by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr. | Posted on 12/15/2008 12:00:00 AM

"If a dystopian nightmare of the totalitarian state finally arrives in the United States, it will be the result of a compromise…"

If you write about and follow politics enough, you eventually realized that most evil in this world is brought about by those seeking a lesser of two evils. And those who assist in this very much resent it when you point out that they are promoting evil.

My inbox has been inundated in recent days with people who think along these lines. Consider the Detroit bailout for example. Now, this idea is preposterous on the face of it. One of the glorious aspects of this recession is that it will finally deal the crippling blow to this industry, which has been a decades-long drag on American productivity.

Wicked unions have thoroughly looted the capital stock of these companies, and the workers themselves are wholly focused on their own well-being rather than that of the company and the consumer. The management is deeply embedded in the regulatory structure of the state, working to effectively turn the American car industry into a public-private partnership of the sort Mussolini would have applauded.

You don't have to be a technician to know that foreign makers — whether building abroad or residing in the United States — make a superior car at a better price, no matter how much the "Big 3" waste on hopped-up advertising campaigns. In fact, we should welcome their complete bankruptcy. Maybe they can regroup or maybe they can't. That's for the market to decide.

In the meantime, not cranking out these endless cars would be a welcome relief, freeing up labor and capital for more-economically-useful purposes.

To bail them out with tax dollars is an amazing insult to American consumers. What Americans have chosen not to buy, the government is now effectively forcing them to buy. You want a Toyota and paid for it with your money but your government is now saying that you should have bought a Pontiac, so it is tapping into your bank account to make it happen — and then not even giving you a car for your money!

But let's return to the problem of those who have caved in. I'm getting messages from people who believe in free markets saying that we have to do this bailout anyway, otherwise we will face worse consequences. The unions will strike back. There will be massive protectionism to prop up the industry. Free-market people will get a bad name for not supporting the little guy. Our industrial base will further erode. Unemployment will soar and then the masses will riot and we'll get Bolshevism. And so on.

Dick Cheney himself is reported to have gone around to Republican senators to tell them to pass the bailout, even if they disagree. Otherwise, they will be like Hoover, not having done anything about the Depression. Leaving aside his stupid historical point (Hoover did plenty, all of it wrong), it is never right to do evil that good may come of it.

I grant that all the predicted results of failing to pass it would be bad. They might even be worse than a bailout — who is to say? But these are speculations about the future. What we face right now is the terrible evil of a bailout, and great good comes from its failure to pass. What's more, if free-market people can't bring themselves to oppose that, what good are they anyway?

People who think along these lines imagine that they personally can control the political process in clever ways, giving a bit here to get more later on. I actually heard these same arguments about the first round of bailouts back in September: we'd better support this now else it will be worse later.

What is striking about these arguments is how tyrants always use them. Hilary Clinton used to claim that we either pay for her healthcare program now or pay more later. FDR said we needed to support the New Deal now, else face full-scale socialism later. Actually Hitler was the same way: his entire program was justified on the idea that only National Socialism could stop Bolshevism.

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"The management is deeply embedded in the regulatory structure of the state, working to effectively turn the American car industry into a public-private partnership of the sort Mussolini would have applauded."

If a dystopian nightmare of the totalitarian state finally arrives in the United States, it will be the result of a compromise, and there will be people around until the very end who will insist that we should be grateful because it could be much worse.

This kind of strategizing also works as a cover for selling your soul. The temptation to do this is very great indeed. The state loves nothing more than a seeming libertarian who weighs in from time to time with a pro-state position. This allows the state and its minions to justify their oppression even from the standpoint of libertarian intellectuals. When you sell out, this is the role you are playing (and this is the role that some DC organizations have been appointed to play).

There is only one sure way that you can know you are on the right side of history, and that is by saying what is true and defending what is right, without exception. It is not left to intellectuals to play political games. Intellectuals are supposed to tell the truth, regardless of the moment. That means, in these days, completely opposing all increases in state power under the cover of "countercyclical policy."

Let evil people take responsibility for their evil policies. Those who know better should stick to the right and true.

Do we need any more reasons to get rid of Orin Hatch

2008-12-05T12:33:00.000-08:00

I dont think i needed any more reasons to get rid of Orin Hatch and maybe get someone from Utah in the Senate for Utah but here is another

Bob Lonsberry on Orrin Hatch pardoning a druggie

From Bob Lonsberry’s blog at KNRS in SLC:

A little harsh?

How to get a presidential pardon.

Orrin Hatch is a United States senator.

No one knows why.
The people who first sent him to Washington are all dead now. They went extinct before the last ice age.

But still he lingers, one of the longest-mooching Republicans in the Senate, waiting hopefully each week for a call to appear on “This Week” or “Face The Nation” or one of those other shows normal people don’t watch.

To be honest, I like him. He has integrity.

Unfortunately, he’s also clueless, and he does dopey things

Like John Forte.

John Forte is a drug dealer, and soon he will be an out-of-jail-free drug dealer.

Thanks to Orrin Hatch.

Seven years ago, John Forte was caught at an airport back east in possession of 31 pounds of cocaine. The retail value was something in the neighborhood of $1.5 million.

Which is against the law. They’re very specific about that. If you go traipsing around with what is scientifically known as a whole crapload of cocaine, the cops are going to take poorly to it.

They’re going to think you’re a drug dealer.

They’re going to think that you’re the WalMart of drug dealers.

And, doggone it, they’re going to lock your skanky backside up. They’re going to lock you up and throw away the key. You will go to prison and you will stay there.

Unless Crazy Uncle Orrin thinks you can help his songwriting career.

Which, honest to goodness, strikes me as a potential warning sign of Alzheimer’s. If you’re 105 years old and you think you’re a songwriter, you need a brain scan, stat. Especially when your chicken scratching is as pathetic as this guy’s.

He scrawls out the most vapid stuff imaginable, but because he’s a big senator who’s not afraid to reward his friends, the occasional used-to-be celebrity will record one of his tunes. When you’re cut 14 on Tony Orlando’s latest release, you don’t really need to rent a tux for the Grammys.

But back to John Forte, Bishop Hatch’s drug-dealing friend.

It turns out that there is a connection between the two. And that connection got John Forte sprung from the big house. A 14-year mandatory sentence is about to vaporize into thin air.

Pay attention, this might be hard to follow.

John Forte went to a swanky school named Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire. He went there to study violin.

Which, naturally, prepared him for a career in rap.

A very short career.

In 1996 he produced two “songs” for The Fugees. That went so well that they broke up the next year. Which led to John Forte, the year after that, releasing an album of his own.

Which fell flat on its face.

Which is what happens when you suck.

But back to the connection between drug dealer Forte and clueless centenarian Hatch.

It turns out that while at Phillips Exeter, John Forte became friends with Ben Taylor.

Who is the son of Carly Simon.

Who was the wife of James Taylor, who I love but who last had a hit song when my middle-aged carcass was still in high school.

Tangent: You’d think with all that money he makes singing “You’ve Got A Friend” on PBS fundraisers that James Taylor might have been able to afford braces for young Ben.

But I digress.

Forte knew Ben who is the son of Carly who recorded a song for Orrin who knows W who pardoned Forte.

See how that works?

It’s like the passing of a social disease, and we know that’s nothing to clap about.

John Forte isn’t from Utah – which Crazy Uncle Orrin theoretically represents in the Senate – and he has no contact with or relevance to Senator Hatch. There is nothing whatsoever about Brooklyn-native John Forte that would draw the get-out-of-jail-free attention of a Utah senator.

Except Orrin Hatch’s vain and self-absorbed view that he is a song writer.

Carly Simon – whose last song of any note came out just in time for Richard Nixon’s second inaugural – is proof positive that even older women can look good with enough air brushing. But I digress.
She is not a constituent of Crazy Uncle Orrin. But she did record one of his songs.

Dozens of people heard it.

All of them are surnamed Hatch or are relatives of his congressional staffers.

But Carly Simon records one of his songs – which makes him money, right? – and she had an entre. And so former Mormon bishop Hatch takes up for a gigantic drug dealer.

Which is pretty much all that’s left for you when your rap album tanks.

Orrin Hatch went so far as to describe this guy as a “genius” whose musical talents need to be returned to society.

In case you forgot: He produced two songs and had an album that was stillborn.

Yeah, that’s what society needs.

So Crazy Uncle Orrin, prompted by his “friend” from the “music community,” overlooked any number of his constituents who might actually deserve a presidential pardon – as well as two Border Patrol agents unjustly sitting in federal prison – and pulled the strings on George W. Bush to get him to pardon a New York City drug dealer.

In case you forgot: It was 31 pounds of cocaine.

And it wasn’t actually a pardon, it was a commutation – which is a French word meaning, “Homey be home for Christmas.”

Now, some might find it odd that of all the drug dealers in all the prisons, Senator Senile chooses to help the one who is recommended to him by the former singer who – if she is so inclined – can make him money by recording his songs.

They might also find it odd that a guy from the most morally conservative state in the Union – where drug use is not only against the law it’s against God – is standing up for someone who distributed drugs.

Which brings up another point. In defending his action to a reporter, and praising his new-found delinquent friend, Crazy Uncle Orrin said that John Forte wasn’t such a bad criminal because he didn’t actually USE drugs, he only SOLD them.

That’s right, the people who transport and sell the drugs that kill untold Americans every year, they’re not so bad. Using is worse than selling.

But only in Orrin Hatch’s world.

The only thing more disappointing than this Orrin Hatch break with lucidity is the fact that George W. Bush has allowed his presidential power to be co-opted by a piece-of-trash drug dealer, a long-forgotten singer and a deluded old man who has confused the recording industry’s fawning before his senatorial power as some sort of admiration for his tuneless drivel.

Sorry to be harsh, just trying to be honest.

John Forte doesn’t deserve to be free, and if Orrin Hatch believes he does, then Orrin Hatch doesn’t deserve to be a senator.

John Forte got sprung after just seven years . The people of Utah have been doing hard time under Orrin Hatch for 32 years, and there’s no parole date in sight.

Where are we going?

2008-11-23T18:12:00.000-08:00

Everyone knows my very very outspoken rages against the current actions being taken by the government the people and the Fed reserve.
I have made a killing on the current collapses and have spoken about that a little. And have only spoken about what i think is next with a few. I would love to open up a descusion on this matter and i want to hear from all view points because the fact of the matter is. It could go anyway, and we can all make money either way. You just have to understand the beliefs of the way we go and how to position yourself to prosper in those beliefs. So hear are your reading assignments and there are alot
first
Robert Kiyasoki http://www.richdad.com/
most people know of him as the rich dad poor dad guy little do people know that that is just the starter in his serioise of books it might peak your intrests that he predicted the market crash in the 70's and 80's and pin pointed it so well that it is shocking

Go to the sorce of all knowledge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression
Wikipedia and study the great depresion after i set up my financial plan and read roberts books i have been studying anything i could get my hands on over the great depression and if you are lucky enough to know people that lived threw it and are still able to tell you about it you are stupid to not suck there brain dry
http://www.mises.org/
LewRockwell.com

I am also reading financial Armagedon and some others if the prove to be helpful i will let you know

there are alot of theroys 3 verys diffrent ecanomic idiolagys but with those three

Austrian Economics
Keynesian,
Marxist

Dont let the names throw you off you will be shocked wich ones you yourself fall under after you study them

But knowing what these theroys are and how they will effect the markets is very importants suchding as maybe you would be interested in knowing that are current FED Chairman
Ben Bernanke, Believes one of these theroys and only one and with the stupid acts of are representitives he has been given full power and authority over this a whole other subject wich we wont go into now

but Monetarists, including Milton Friedman who Bernanke has padurned all of his recent desicions after is maybe somthing you should look into

another thing is consalt your bible's, Book of Mormons, Qurans, and spiritual leaders people think that secound comming nut job talk dosnt help the matter but it is needed to know what people are thinking and are looking at doing to understand what they will do.

please lets talk

The Day has come

2008-11-12T19:34:00.000-08:00

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

Alexis De Tocqueville

need i say more

Happy Birthday Marines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2008-11-06T23:56:00.000-08:00

On this are 233 Birthday I think it is time we reflect on are history and the cause for which we were started.
In 233 years we have laid more blood on the alter of freedom then any other group of people we have brought more freedom to people then any other fighting force and we have remained true to the cause of liberty. We have freed others held by the hand of terany and not taken over there land as other forces but turned it over to the people to live in the freedoms we enjoy. Sadly while we have been freeing the world of terany and tirants those who sleep under the blanket of protection we provide have destroyed are freedoms at home. We return to a destrot nation wich we must take back.

A big thank you to Robert Kiyosaki

2008-10-21T21:44:00.000-07:00

Thanks to this man as the rest of the nation crys over there spilt 401k milk
im dipping my cookies in it and loveing it
this is what he had to say about the bail outs

Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 12:00AM

As we all know, the world changed drastically on Sept. 11, 2001, when the twin towers of the World Trade Center fell.

This year, on the eve of Sept. 11, the twin towers of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac crumbled. Then, on Sept. 15, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch disappeared. Actually, that was a triple-tower collapse if you count AIG.

In a few years, the biggest pair of towers will collapse: Social Security and Medicare. Even today, they're looking shaky. How many ground zeros can we as people, a nation, and a world withstand before we admit something is very wrong with our global financial systems? What will it take to wake us up?

Government Can't Fix It

Personally, I believe the biggest it's a problem that so many Americans are looking to this year's presidential candidates, Barack Obama and John McCain, to save our financial system. How did we become so financially weak that we surrender our economic independence to politicians? Where does it say in the Constitution that the government should solve our financial problems?

And why have so many people throughout the world come to expect financial life-support from their political leaders? It seems most people will vote for anyone who promises a chicken in every pot and a guaranteed mortgage payment.

We're in the midst of a problem neither candidate can solve: A lack of comprehensive financial education in our school systems. What else explains the economic blunders committed by our political and financial leaders? Or why so many consumers are in debt up to their eyeballs? Or why millions of people expect a quick government fix of some kind?

Under Water

A few months ago, a friend of mine from Hawaii asked me if I wanted to buy his new powerboat with twin motors. Apparently, in late 2007, he purchased it brand new for approximately $85,000. His plan was to refinance his house when it appreciated in value and use the difference to pay for the boat.

Failing to obtain new financing, he called to ask me if I would buy the boat from him -- just take over the payments and it was mine. I passed, and the bank eventually repossessed his boat. Later, his wife called to tell me he's now having problems making his mortgage payments. Apparently, my friend planned to pay for his house the same way he planned on paying for the boat, by refinancing his debt.

I mention this story because it illustrates the problem Obama or McCain face: Limited financial education and diminished financial common sense. Apparently, my and the nation's business leaders all went to same school of finance.

A Cynical Aside

If you want to know why the towers of American capitalism are crumbling, I recommend reading "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin. It's not an easy book to find, but once you start reading it's to put down. In fact, in many ways it's a murder mystery about the financial "murder" of the middle class.

A very important lesson in the book is how political leaders use financial spin to deceive the public. The very, very rich use the system to legally steal from the rest of us by appealing to our sense of patriotism. When our leaders say, "We're bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because we want to protect the American people," they really mean "We're saving our rich friends."

All the bankers and politicians have to do is wave the red, white, and blue, play a few bars of "Yankee Doodle," and the masses get teary-eyed and pledge greater allegiance to legalized robbery. Yes, it's true that ignorance is bliss -- but ignorance is also expensive, and it cost us our freedom.

Freedom at Peril

A bailout can be different things. First, printing more money is a kind of bailout that leads to higher inflation. Rather than protecting people, it makes life for the poor and middle class more expensive. The other kind of bailout is protection for our rich and incompetent friends. If you or I fail at business, we fail. If we cheat and fail, we go to jail. But if you're rich and politically connected, your incompetence may be protected by a government bailout.

As a former Marine and a Vietnam War veteran, it saddens me to see some of the freedoms I thought I went to war to protect being stolen from us by bankers and politicians. Unfortunately, few Americans know the difference between the words "nationalize" and "socialize." Socialize means we turn more of our personal powers over to Big Brother, not free enterprise. It means we as a people grow weaker and need a higher power -- the same power that got us into this mess -- to protect us.

In short, when the towers of Fannie, Freddie, Merrill, Lehman, and AIG came crashing down, more came down than just money. What we're losing is the very freedom this country was founded on, and what most of the world yearns for.

The Peoples house no longer for the people

2008-10-05T23:39:00.000-07:00

Failed missrably were is the out rage where is the fight

Are failers
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 681
(Democrats in roman; Republicans in italic; Independents underlined)

H R 1424 YEA-AND-NAY 3-Oct-2008 1:22 PM
QUESTION: On Motion to Concur in Senate Amendments
BILL TITLE: Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008

Yeas Nays PRES NV
Democratic 172 63
Republican 91 108
Independent
TOTALS 263 171

---- YEAS 262 ---

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Alexander
Allen
Andrews
Arcuri
Baca
Bachus
Baird
Baldwin
Barrett (SC)
Bean
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Biggert
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blunt
Boehner
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boozman
Boren
Boswell
Boucher
Boustany
Boyd (FL)
Brady (PA)
Brady (TX)
Braley (IA)
Brown (SC)
Brown, Corrine
Buchanan
Calvert
Camp (MI)
Campbell (CA)
Cannon
Cantor
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carson
Castle
Clarke
Cleaver
Clyburn
Coble
Cohen
Cole (OK)
Conaway
Cooper
Costa
Cramer
Crenshaw
Crowley
Cubin
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
Davis, Tom
DeGette
DeLauro
Dent
Dicks
Dingell
Donnelly
Doyle
Dreier
Edwards (MD)
Edwards (TX)
Ehlers
Ellison
Ellsworth
Emanuel
Emerson
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Everett
Fallin
Farr
Fattah
Ferguson
Fossella
Foster
Frank (MA)
Frelinghuysen
Gerlach
Giffords
Gilchrest
Gonzalez
Gordon
Granger
Green, Al
Gutierrez
Hall (NY)
Hare
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Herger
Higgins
Hinojosa
Hirono
Hobson
Hoekstra
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hoyer
Inglis (SC)
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E. B.
Kanjorski
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind
King (NY)
Kirk
Klein (FL)
Kline (MN)
Knollenberg
Kuhl (NY)
LaHood
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (CA)
Lewis (GA)
Lewis (KY)
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mahoney (FL)
Maloney (NY)
Markey
Marshall
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum (MN)
McCrery
McGovern
McHugh
McKeon
McNerney
McNulty
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Melancon
Miller (NC)
Miller, Gary
Miller, George
Mitchell
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murphy (CT)
Murphy, Patrick
Murtha
Myrick
Nadler
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Peterson (PA)
Pickering
Pomeroy
Porter
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Radanovich
Rahall
Ramstad
Rangel
Regula
Reyes
Reynolds
Richardson
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)
Sarbanes
Saxton
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schmidt
Schwartz
Sessions
Sestak
Shadegg
Shays
Shuster
Simpson
Sires
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Souder
Space
Speier
Spratt
Sullivan
Sutton
Tancredo
Tanner
Tauscher
Terry
Thompson (CA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tierney
Towns
Tsongas
Upton
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Walden (OR)
Walsh (NY)
Wamp
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Welch (VT)
Weldon (FL)
Weller
Wexler
Wilson (NM)
Wilson (OH)
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Woolsey
Wu
Yarmuth

The Few Smart ones

---- NAYS 170 ---

Aderholt
Akin
Altmire
Bachmann
Barrow
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Becerra
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (UT)
Blackburn
Blumenauer
Boyda (KS)
Broun (GA)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Butterfield
Buyer
Capito
Carney
Carter
Castor
Cazayoux
Chabot
Chandler
Childers
Clay
Conyers
Costello
Courtney
Culberson
Davis (KY)
Davis, David
Davis, Lincoln
Deal (GA)
DeFazio
Delahunt
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doggett
Doolittle
Drake
Duncan
English (PA)
Feeney
Filner
Flake
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gillibrand
Gingrey
Gohmert
Goode
Goodlatte
Graves
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Hall (TX)
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Heller
Hensarling
Herseth Sandlin
Hill
Hinchey
Hodes
Holden
Hulshof
Hunter
Inslee
Issa
Jefferson
Johnson (GA)
Johnson (IL)
Johnson, Sam
Jones (NC)
Jordan
Kagen
Kaptur
Keller
King (IA)
Kingston
Kucinich
Lamborn
Lampson
Latham
LaTourette
Latta
Linder
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lucas
Lynch
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Matheson
McCarthy (CA)
McCaul (TX)
McCotter
McDermott
McHenry
McIntyre
McMorris Rodgers
Mica
Michaud
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Moran (KS)
Murphy, Tim
Musgrave
Napolitano
Neugebauer
Nunes
Paul
Payne
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Petri
Pitts
Platts
Poe
Price (GA)
Rehberg
Reichert
Renzi
Rodriguez
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Roskam
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Royce
Salazar
Sali
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Scalise
Scott (VA)
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Shimkus
Shuler
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Stark
Stearns
Stupak
Taylor
Thompson (MS)
Tiahrt
Turner
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Visclosky
Walberg
Walz (MN)
Westmoreland
Whitfield (KY)
Wittman (VA)
Young (AK)
Young (FL)

Vote results

2008-10-02T19:55:00.000-07:00

here is the list of the votes on the Bail out plan strait facts and the fact of the matter is anyone in the for side should resign today and hand over there pension. It only firms up my plan i have to move to wyoming.

Oct. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Following is the final vote for the financial rescue plan from the U.S. Senate.

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                                  Dem., Ind. Term    Financial Rescue Plan
Senator                            or Rep.   Expires     For       Against
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Democrats                             49       n/a       39          9
Republicans                           49       n/a       34          15
Independent                           2        n/a        1          1
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Baucus, Max (D-MT)                   Dem.      2009       X
Biden, Joseph R., Jr. (D-DE)         Dem.      2009       X
Durbin, Richard (D-IL)               Dem.      2009       X
Harkin, Tom (D-IA)                   Dem.      2009       X
Johnson, Tim (D-SD)                  Dem.      2009                      X
Kerry, John F. (D-MA)                Dem.      2009       X
Landrieu, Mary L. (D-LA)             Dem.      2009                      X
Lautenberg, Frank R. (D-NJ)          Dem.      2009       X
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                                  Dem., Ind. Term    Financial Rescue Plan
Senator                            or Rep.   Expires     For       Against
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Levin, Carl (D-MI)                   Dem.      2009       X
Pryor, Mark L. (D-AR)                Dem.      2009       X
Reed, Jack (D-RI)                    Dem.      2009       X
Rockefeller, John D., IV (D-WV)      Dem.      2009       X
Bayh, Evan (D-IN)                    Dem.      2011       X
Boxer, Barbara (D-CA)                Dem.      2011       X
Dodd, Christopher J. (D-CT)          Dem.      2011       X
Dorgan, Byron L. (D-ND)              Dem.      2011                      X
Feingold, Russell D. (D-WI)          Dem.      2011                      X
Inouye, Daniel K. (D-HI)             Dem.      2011       X
Leahy, Patrick J. (D-VT)             Dem.      2011       X
Lincoln, Blanche L. (D-AR)           Dem.      2011       X
Mikulski, Barbara A. (D-MD)          Dem.      2011       X
Murray, Patty (D-WA)                 Dem.      2011       X
Obama, Barack (D-IL)                 Dem.      2011       X
Reid, Harry (D-NV)                   Dem.      2011       X
Salazar, Ken (D-CO)                  Dem.      2011       X
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                                  Dem., Ind. Term    Financial Rescue Plan
Senator                            or Rep.   Expires     For       Against
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Schumer, Charles E. (D-NY)           Dem.      2011       X
Wyden, Ron (D-OR)                    Dem.      2011                      X
Akaka, Daniel K. (D-HI)              Dem.      2013       X
Bingaman, Jeff (D-NM)                Dem.      2013       X
Brown, Sherrod (D-OH)                Dem.      2013       X
Byrd, Robert C. (D-WV)               Dem.      2013       X
Cantwell, Maria (D-WA)               Dem.      2013                      X
Cardin, Benjamin L. (D-MD)           Dem.      2013       X
Carper, Thomas R. (D-DE)             Dem.      2013       X
Casey, Robert P., Jr. (D-PA)         Dem.      2013       X
Clinton, Hillary Rodham (D-NY)       Dem.      2013       X
Conrad, Kent (D-ND)                  Dem.      2013       X
Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA)             Dem.      2013       X
Kennedy, Edward M. (D-MA)            Dem.      2013
Klobuchar, Amy (D-MN)                Dem.      2013       X
Kohl, Herb (D-WI)                    Dem.      2013       X
McCaskill, Claire (D-MO)             Dem.      2013       X
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                                  Dem., Ind. Term    Financial Rescue Plan
Senator                            or Rep.   Expires     For       Against
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Menendez, Robert (D-NJ)              Dem.      2013       X
Nelson, Bill (D-FL)                  Dem.      2013                      X
Nelson, E. Benjamin (D-NE)           Dem.      2013       X
Stabenow, Debbie (D-MI)              Dem.      2013                      X
Tester, Jon (D-MT)                   Dem.      2013                      X
Webb, Jim (D-VA)                     Dem.      2013       X
Whitehouse, Sheldon (D-RI)           Dem.      2013       X
Lieberman, Joseph I. (ID-CT)         Ind.      2013       X
Sanders, Bernard (I-VT)              Ind.      2013                      X
Alexander, Lamar (R-TN)              Rep.      2009       X
Allard, Wayne (R-CO)                 Rep.      2009                      X
Chambliss, Saxby (R-GA)              Rep.      2009       X
Cochran, Thad (R-MS)                 Rep.      2009                      X
Coleman, Norm (R-MN)                 Rep.      2009       X
Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)             Rep.      2009       X
Cornyn, John (R-TX)                  Rep.      2009       X
Craig, Larry E. (R-ID)               Rep.      2009       X
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                                  Dem., Ind. Term    Financial Rescue Plan
Senator                            or Rep.   Expires     For       Against
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Dole, Elizabeth (R-NC)               Rep.      2009                      X
Domenici, Pete V. (R-NM)             Rep.      2009       X
Enzi, Michael B. (R-WY)              Rep.      2009                      X
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)               Rep.      2009       X
Hagel, Chuck (R-NE)                  Rep.      2009       X
Inhofe, James M. (R-OK)              Rep.      2009                      X
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)              Rep.      2009       X
Roberts, Pat (R-KS)                  Rep.      2009                      X
Sessions, Jeff (R-AL)                Rep.      2009                      X
Smith, Gordon H. (R-OR)              Rep.      2009       X
Stevens, Ted (R-AK)                  Rep.      2009       X
Sununu, John E. (R-NH)               Rep.      2009       X
Warner, John (R-VA)                  Rep.      2009       X
Bennett, Robert F. (R-UT)            Rep.      2011       X
Bond, Christopher S. (R-MO)          Rep.      2011       X
Brownback, Sam (R-KS)                Rep.      2011                      X
Bunning, Jim (R-KY)                  Rep.      2011                      X
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                                  Dem., Ind. Term    Financial Rescue Plan
Senator                            or Rep.   Expires     For       Against
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Burr, Richard (R-NC)                 Rep.      2011       X
Coburn, Tom (R-OK)                   Rep.      2011       X
Crapo, Mike (R-ID)                   Rep.      2011                      X
DeMint, Jim (R-SC)                   Rep.      2011                      X
Grassley, Chuck (R-IA)               Rep.      2011       X
Gregg, Judd (R-NH)                   Rep.      2011       X
Isakson, Johnny (R-GA)               Rep.      2011       X
Martinez, Mel (R-FL)                 Rep.      2011       X
McCain, John (R-AZ)                  Rep.      2011       X
Murkowski, Lisa (R-AK)               Rep.      2011       X
Shelby, Richard C. (R-AL)            Rep.      2011                      X
Specter, Arlen (R-PA)                Rep.      2011       X
Thune, John (R-SD)                   Rep.      2011       X
Vitter, David (R-LA)                 Rep.      2011                      X
Voinovich, George V. (R-OH)          Rep.      2011       X
Barrasso, John (R-WY)                Rep.      2013                      X
Corker, Bob (R-TN)                   Rep.      2013       X
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                                  Dem., Ind. Term    Financial Rescue Plan
Senator                            or Rep.   Expires     For       Against
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Ensign, John (R-NV)                  Rep.      2013       X
Hatch, Orrin G. (R-UT)               Rep.      2013       X
Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX)         Rep.      2013       X
Kyl, Jon (R-AZ)                      Rep.      2013       X
Lugar, Richard G. (R-IN)             Rep.      2013       X
Snowe, Olympia J. (R-ME)             Rep.      2013       X
Wicker, Roger (R-MS)                 Rep.      2013                      X
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Bailout Fails

2008-09-29T20:50:00.000-07:00

There is a huge debate over why the bailout failed. I dont care why it failed i finaly breathed because it did! i dont know if it was stoped because of the stupidity of are people in washington or because maybe a few wised up but thank god it failed
one more breath and then back to holding because the come back one might be worse
and it just might have enough pork to make more people stupid
Maybe Hatch will get us some more cvtd busses maybe will build a bridge to no where toole the pork is going to be scary

Pauls Thoughts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFh6PU6qM9Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eFeDOd7MC0

Justice Scalia

2008-09-16T09:38:00.000-07:00

Sep. 15, 2008 Justice Scalia came and spoke at USU. It was a great speach and a great opertunity i couldnt pass up the thing i came away the most with was. The relif that not all in washington is lost i was amazed to hear someone had the same love and passion for the country that i do.
He is dead on with the saying that his court has moved into relems that it was never ment to do and his love for the constitution i thought was shown very strongly
the ? that i know he never would have awnsered in that forem but i would love to ask in a private conversation. I ask all of you the same question. We know that the system is broken! Can we depend on the broken system to fix itself? I say know we continue to send the same back to washington and we exspect it to get better. Is that not the defenition of stupidity. When you have a thrown rod in your engine you dont keep driving it and hope it fixes itself. You tear it apart and rebuild it or get a new one. I dont see a diffrence with washington are mean american 8 cylender is running on maybe 4 its time to rebuilt the motor.

Joe Cooks Message

2008-09-12T22:11:00.001-07:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLMa7hXAOhU

I think he say enough

Here we go again

2008-08-25T16:31:00.000-07:00

Ex-Marine to Face Trial as a Civilian in Killing of Iraqi Prisoners
It will mark the first time that a little-known federal law is used to prosecute a former service member for actions taken during
combat.
August 18, 2008
LA Times
Tony Perry

Here is the first use of MEJA and not to prosecute a contractor in a war zone, but a former military member. It will be interesting to see whether a civilian jury will be more sympathetic or less so than a military jury. Of note, the defendant was a probationary police officer in Riverside when federal charges were levied against him. He was immediately fired - so what happened to innocent until proven guilty?

SAN DIEGO -- When the trial of a former Marine begins Tuesday in federal court in Riverside, it will mark the first time a little-known federal law has been used to prosecute a former Marine or soldier for actions during combat.

A jury of civilians will decide the fate of former Marine Sgt. Jose Nazario, 28, who is accused in the killing of four Iraqi prisoners.

The law wasn't originally crafted to target military personnel. Passed by Congress in 2000, the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act was designed to allow the prosecution of civilians employed by the Department of Defense for crimes committed while overseas on official business.

Full Story

War Profits!!!

2008-08-19T17:04:00.001-07:00

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=823818699

War has always been the most profitable business threw out history. Modern war fare is no diffrent and it will never change the best minds the best bodys and the best ideas will always be used in the war seen.
I was known in my unit as the Mormon Mercenary, love that name always have and i am proud of it. There is nothing wrong with being a Mercenary when in the right way.

The constatutions foriegn polacy has always been the United States as a nation is to remain neutral until attacked. With all of the things in the modern world and the idea that a free man is never free while another is opressed. I have had a hard time of how we follow the constatutions forign polacy
As you read on i think here is how. we are to have free trade with everyone. I think we can effect foreign nations the most threw monatary and are private business sectors. If private business can fund Mercenaries to go into and protect there intrests in foriegn nations. Governement stays out and i beilieve the idea of democracy being spred has a better chance of working and if it back fires its not a nation that is hated.
What do you think ?

Now my ?

2008-08-11T19:58:00.000-07:00

What does God want us to do?
This is driveing me nuts. The current going ons in Georgia and the hole happenings of China and with the recent pass port denial of Darfur suporter. And the bringing up of Sudan war lord killer ass hole ^$%#%$# fleeing to china to avoid his nous from the war court.
I got to ask what does God realy want from us. Are we to spend are time fighting and suporting these far off nations and trying to fix there problems. I recently said on the for the people chat that i hope Blackwater gets a contract to go to Georgia because i will except it. but is that the place for me. Would not God be more happy if i had gone down to Ogden and fixed the Ladys sprinkler. Or maybe even not have watched that dirty bad movie the other night.
I have a great love for Georgia and that area of the world
The day we started bombing Afgahnistain i was playing pool in a refugee camp with a 7 year old girl )from Afgahnistain ( she had the darkest eyes you would lose yourself in because the contained more sadness that an adult who had lived 9 lives would not have) The Kurdish boys who were refugees as well from Iraq were making fun of her and telling me i should be mad at her because of were she was from ' she was the ones who bombed my country " little did they know were i would be 2 years later. On the same note 1 year prior to that i had met my best friend from Kurdistan and thought to myself as i looked over the personal pictures of his intir villiage being gased by chemical ali. That i could take my fire team in and take out this kind of crap one fire team why do we not do it?
But as i think about this on what do we do? I ask is any of this more important then me takeing time to play with my boy? Am i not sinning a greater sin by denying him time with me why i look up info on these happenings and bitch about the no responce on my blogg
What should i do? My time away from my family while fighting a war to free opressed people is that realy the best thing that i should be doing or should i be teaching my son how to become a good man by example by takeing care of the people around us? I think the scripturs teach that that is by far a fare more important priority!!!!
What are your thoughts i would love to hear more?

What does God Realy want from you?

2008-08-11T19:49:00.000-07:00

President Bush has realy been scrutiniced for his interview with Bob Costas and his going to church in China.
I have realy been thinking alot about how to ask this question and get this post going and i think this is a perfect way into it.
I do not like alot of the things the Bush admin. has done but the more and more i reserch it i put the blam there at the admin. I respect President Bush alot himself and i think he was dead on in China he has done perfect in his keeping it about the sport and the spirit of what we have in common and not are diffrences and that is what the Olympics are for.
But he has not missed out on chances to talk with Puttin. Or visit and see the China people
If you watch the hole video on the nbc website and see the hole interview. I have not been able to get a hole interview link just blurps that make a stupid sentence the focal point. President Bush talks about how we are there to respect THE PEOPLE OF CHINA THE PEOPLE!!! I think if you listin its a slap in the face of the Government and ruleing athority in China. He never once talks about respecting them or there regims in fact the exact opisit but he does talk about respecting the people and getting out among the people and how the people and churchs and outside influance is in the people and there is wear the true revolution and freedom will come from as the people find it in themselves and then fight for it THEMSELVES this is why respecting and suporting the Chinies PEOPLE is so important!

7 Years after defeting the Taliban the war rages on

2008-08-11T19:31:00.000-07:00

I hate most of the things John Stewert says and does most of the time but he had a Lady who has been in the news a bit but she got it spot on right here

The real reason to drill or not to drill

2008-08-10T11:14:00.000-07:00

BEIJING, Aug 10 (Reuters) - The White House on Sunday deplored Russia's actions in the Georgia conflict as "dangerous and disproportionate."

"We're alarmed by this situation," James Jeffrey, U.S. President George W. Bush's deputy national security adviser, told reporters in Beijing where the president was attending the Olympics.

Jeffrey said the United States would be "very, very concerned" if reports of Russian ground attacks in Georgia were accurate. (Editing by Keith Weir)

This is what we are saying about The Georgian Russian conflict. Let me open peoples eyes
Hell yes the reports of what the Russians are doing are true!!!!!!!!!!! My hell we are fighting in Afgahnistain seeing are mistakes that from leaving them hanging after they YES THEY!!!!!!!!!!!!! saved are ass from the Soviets in the 80's my hell we made a movie about it last year! Charlie Willsons war it was a good movie watch it watch it repedidly watch the part with the Afgahan refugee camps and what the Russians were doing in Afgahnistain watch what happend to the people
The fact is are people dont know how to win a war the people can not stomach what it takes to win the Russians know how. And they are using the same tactics in Georgia now and it is for the same thing. When Russia lost the areas of Afgahnistain Georgia and the Bulkin area they lose there path way to middle east oil. Why the people of the United States bitch and mon that we are fighting a war over oil they keep there eyes closed to the other more intense war for oil.
Russia, China, and India all need Middle East oil Russia is makeing the first move. We sit on much larger reserves Utah its self has more then Saddie Arabia. But the fact is Russia knows if it does not break the backs and get to it threw starving poor people there people will be starving poor people?
Now that your eyes have been opened to a bigger picture. I ask what do we do? because there are more things to the story.

A thinker

2008-08-07T21:24:00.000-07:00

I got this and as a total work aholic i can not get it off my mind how true it is why do we give are best to those who do not care and are worst to those who care the most?

F A M I L Y

I ran into a stranger as he passed by,
'Oh excuse me please' was my reply.

He said, 'Please excuse me too;
I wasn't watching for you.'

We were very polite, this stranger and I.
We went on our way and we said goodbye.

But at home a different story is told,
How we treat our loved ones, young and old.

Later that day, cooking the evening meal,
My son stood beside me very still.

When I turned, I nearly knocked him down.
'Move out of the way,' I said with a frown.

He walked away, his little heart broken.
I didn't realize how harshly I'd spoken.

While I lay awake in bed,
God's still small voice came to me and said,

'While dealing with a stranger,
common courtesy you use,
but the family you love, you seem to abuse.

Go and look on the kitchen floor,
You'll find some flowers there by the door.

Those are the flowers he brought for you.
He picked them himself: pink, yellow and blue.

He stood very quietly not to spoil the surprise,
you never saw the tears that filled his little eyes.'

By this time, I felt very small,
And now my tears began to fall.

I quietly went and knelt by his bed;
'Wake up, little one, wake up,' I said.

'Are these the flowers you picked for me?'
He smiled, 'I found 'em, out by the tree.

I picked 'em because they're pretty like you.
I knew you'd like 'em, especially the blue.'

I said, 'Son, I'm very sorry for the way I acted today;
I shouldn't have yelled at you that way.'
He said, 'Oh, Mom, that's okay.
I love you anyway.'

I said, 'Son, I love you too,
and I do like the flowers, especially the blue.'

FAMILY
Are you aware that if we died tomorrow, the company
that we are working for could easily replace us in
a matter of days.
But the family we left behind will feel the loss
for the rest of their lives...

And come to think of it, we pou r ourselves more
into work than into our own family,
an unwise investment indeed,
don't you think?
So what is behind the story?

Loss of a great one

2008-08-07T20:39:00.001-07:00

We lost another great WWII vet today

The Great escape look it up read about the amazing things these men did
because if we dont learn about it now while they are here to tell there storys i promice. They will never be told corectly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalag_Luft_III

http://www.google.com/search?q=Roger+Bushell&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

rest in peace Sir. you were an insperation to all who have ever warn the uniform

Another Marine Death

2008-08-07T20:29:00.000-07:00

Hello I just placed an order and feel it is right of me to inform you of the recent loss of my son, LCpl Wilson, Ivan I . He was KIA in Helmand Province, Afghanistan on July 21, 2008... all so fresh in my mind, from the 5 am knock on the door to now as I simply write this. I ordered some items and wanted to share with you this. I am attaching a pic of him just sent to me from his Marine buddies from the sand!

Thanks again,
Denise Wilson A Very Proud Marine Mom

God Bless you Mrs. Wilson and the rest of your family! The harts and prayers of every Marine goes out to you. Rest asured that your son was welcomed at the gate by his fellow Marines that stand as sentenals. You and yours will continue to be watched over by the best.

Interesting Graduation UHHRaHHH!!!!!!!!!!

2008-08-07T20:28:00.000-07:00

I would like to tell you about my son who became a Marine this year. It has been his dream since he was very young to be a Marine. Last summer he found out he could become a Marine before he actually graduated high school. He had a enough credits to finish school in December. On January 8, he left for MCRD. He was home in time for his High school graduation. He wanted to graduate in his Marine uniform but the principal told him he had to wear his cap and gown.

This upset him very much because he was so proud to be a Marine. I told him to wear his uniform under the cap and gown and before he received his diploma he should take off the cap and gown. He did just that. I was so PROUD of him. You should have heard the applause he got for that. It was a most awesome day for me. My son had already achieved a couple of his dreams by the time he graduated from high school.

Semper Fi
Dorothy Hampton
Proud mother of a Marine

Naval Smack down

2008-08-04T20:49:00.000-07:00

Has anyone heard about this?

USS George Washington Investigation Complete, Senior Leadership Relieved
Story Number: NNS080730-13
Release Date: 7/30/2008 4:58:00 PM

From Commander Naval Air Forces Public Affairs

NAVAL STATION NORTH ISLAND, Calif. (NNS) -- Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet, Adm. Robert F. Willard, issued a final endorsement to the investigation of a fire that occurred aboard USS George Washington (CVN 73) on May 22. As directed by Adm. Willard, Commander, Naval Air Forces Pacific, Vice Adm. Thomas J. Kilcline, Jr., relieved the Commanding Officer of USS George Washington (CVN 73), Capt. David C. Dykhoff, today due to a loss of confidence in his ability to command and his failure to meet mission requirements and readiness standards.

As directed, Kilcline also relieved the George Washington Executive Officer, Capt. David M. Dober, for substandard performance.

Capt. J.R. Haley, previously assigned as Deputy Chief of Staff to Commander, U.S. Pacific Command, has taken command of Washington. Haley commanded the nuclear powered aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) from June 2005 to January 2008.

Capt. Karl O. Thomas, who has been serving as executive officer of USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) since July 2007, has been reassigned as George Washington's executive officer.

The Chief of Naval Operations directed the Manual of Judge Advocate General investigation headed by the Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet. The investigation determined that the likely cause of the fire was unauthorized smoking that ignited flammable liquids and other combustible material improperly stored in an adjacent space. The fire and the subsequent magnitude of the fire were the result of a series of human acts that could have been prevented. Specifically, the storage of 90 gallons of refrigerant compressor oil in an unauthorized space contributed to the intensity of the fire.

The fire, which occurred in an unmanned Auxiliary Boiler Exhaust and Supply space, took approximately 12 hours to extinguish due to the location and geometry of adjacent spaces and ventilation systems that created a chimney effect. Thirty-seven Sailors were treated for minor injuries incurred during fire fighting efforts, with one Sailor requiring treatment for first and second degree burns. Approximately 80 out of over 3,800 total spaces aboard the carrier were damaged by the fire.

The estimated cost of repairs to George Washington as a direct result of the shipboard fire is approximately $70 million. This includes cost for material and labor cost from the public and private sector ship repair activities.

Repairs to George Washington are nearly complete and she will depart San Diego, Calif., on Aug. 21, with an arrival in Yokosuka, Japan expected in late September. George Washington's turnover with the U.S. Navy's last conventionally-powered aircraft carrier, USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63), will begin upon Kitty Hawk's arrival in San Diego on Aug. 7.

A voice!

2008-07-07T19:51:00.000-07:00

I recently came across this I am not nesesarily saying that i agree with the ladys points infact i dont but with are debate against fisa, and i am against the fairness doctrine and just genraly against the government in are lives and the silenceing of the people i thought i need to post this as well sence the people of orange county are so the opisite of my thinking lets rub this in there face a little

> Orange County California Newspaper
>
>
>
> This is a very good letter to the editor. This woman
made some good points.
> For some reason, people have difficulty structuring
their arguments when arguing against supporting the currently proposed
immigration revisions. This lady made the argument pretty simple. NOT
printed in the Orange County Paper..................
>
> Newspapers s imply won't publish letters to the editor
which they either deem politically incorrect (read below) or which does
not agree with the philosophy they're pushing on the public. This woman
wrote a great letter to the editor that should have been published; but,
with your help it will get published via cyberspace!
>
> From: 'David LaBonte'
> My wife, Rosemary, wrote a wonderful letter to the
editor of the OC Register which, of course, was not printed. So, I
decided to 'print' it myself by sending it out on the Internet. Pass it
along if you feel so inclined. Written in response to a series of
letters to the editor in the Orange County Register:
>
> Dear Editor:
>
>
> So many letter writers have based their arguments on
how this land is made u p of immigrants. Ernie Lujan for one, suggests
we should tear down the Statue of Liberty because the people now in
question aren't being treated the same as those who passed through Ellis
Island and other ports of entry.
>
> Maybe we should turn to our history books and point
out to people like Mr. Lujan why today's American is not willing to
accept this new kind of immigrant any longer. Back in 1900 when there
was a rush from all a reas of Europe to come to the United States,
people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in New York and be
documented . Some would even get down on their hands and knees and kiss
the ground. They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new
country in good and bad times. They made learning English a primary rule
in their new American households and some even changed their names to
blend in with their new home.
>
> &nb sp; They had waved good bye to their birth place to
give their children a new life and did everything in their power to help
their children assimilate into one culture. Nothing was handed to them.
No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws to protect them. All they had
were the skills and craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade
for a future of prosperity.
>
> Most of their children came of age when World War II
broke out. My father fought along side men whose parents had come
straight over from Germany, Italy, France and Japan. None of these 1st
generation Americans ever gave any thought about what country their
parents had come from. They were Americans fighting Hitler, Mussolini
and the Emperor of Japan. They were defending the United States of
America as one people.
>
> When we liberated France, no one in those villages wer
e looking for the Frenc h-American or the German American or the Irish
American. The people of France saw only Americans. And we carried one
flag that represented one country. Not one of those immigrant sons would
have thought about picking up another country's flag and waving it to
represent who they were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents
who had sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what
it meant to be an American. They stirred the melting pot into one red,
white and blue bowl.
>
> And here we are in 2008 with a new kind of immigrant
who wants the same rights and privileges, only they want to achieve it
by playing with a different set of rules, one that includes the
entitlement card and a guarantee of being faithful to their mother
country. I'm sorry, that's not what being an American is all about. I
believe that the immigrants who landed on Ellis Island in the early
1900's deserve better than that for all t he toil , hard work and
sacrifice in raising future generations to create a land that has become
a beacon for those legally searching for a better life. I think they
would be appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving
foreign country flags.
>
> And for that suggestion about taking down the Statue
of Liberty, it happens to mean a lot to the citizens who are voting on
the immigration bill. I wouldn't start talking about dismantling the
UNITED STATES just yet.
>
> (Signed) Rosemary LaBonte

Happy 4th

2008-07-04T17:11:00.000-07:00

On this are nations birthday i would like to just stop and think for a moment what this great nation has done and tie it in to all my recent posts
This nation has laid more blood on the alter of freedom then anyone else we have sacrificed more for are own freedoms and the freedoms of others.
We can have lots of arguments if we have done right or wrong and we can argue allot I am affraid that the generations that have benifitted the most from the sacrifices that have been laid on that alter have done the most to lose there freedom .
I am affraid that there will have to be much more sacrificed and laid on that alter in the future and i hope that someday the Gods of freedom will say that is enough but lets just pause for a moment on are nations birthday have a beer with are friends and leave one standing for are brothers who are not with us. Have a good time and Celebrate the great men and woman who have given there all to make this nation great. Because no matter your argument for or against there is no argument that we as a people have done more for freedom around this world then anyother and will continue to do so

Gen. Pattons quote is in the corner and will stay there but he says it well

"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived."

THANK YOU!!! TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN LAID ON THE ALTER AND TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE MISSED THEM!!!!!

Therory on Global Warming and Oil

2008-06-22T08:53:00.000-07:00

i thought sence science has been thrown out the window and common sence has been tosed as well on this issue i to would throw out some ideas mixed with a little bit of science fact and see if we to can create a religous following
well my thought is if they say trees take in carbon dioxide and while makeing a by poroduct of oxygen
and they say that when you cut the tree open it releases a hole bunch of carborn dioxide back into the air
well they used to teach that we get oil from the dinosors leaves that are under the ground, some stand by this and they still call it fosil fuels but most have agreed that that is a bogas theroy i wonder if the fact that the fosils are at earths serfase and the oil is thousands of feet down gave them a hint on that one
so my thought is the trees take in the carbon dioxide and send it threw there leaves and down threw there roots and the ground water carrys it down in to the earth were the refining proces accures and are by product is oil
so oil is a fuel wich will never go away as long as we continue to use it and the trees continue to recycle it its the hole circle of life type of thing so
in order to save the world plant trees and be shure to water them and let them suck all that carbondioxide down into the ground so that future generations can use it
now start drilling and planting trees

spread the word so we can get a fallowing

Amazingly Ironic

2008-06-21T17:28:00.000-07:00

My good friend and soon to be recruted General in the "Revolution" Jasonthe has posted the most ironic and scary post on The For the People Blogg today. I had to post it hear as well. Jason is what i call my flaming liberal friend. I think the farther and farther the demolition of this great nation and its constitution go, it is becoming clearer and clearer there is no such thing as demecrat republican liberal or conservative, the division lies solly on lovers of freedom and those trying to destroy it

220 Years Ago Today…

U.S. Constitution Online:

Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New Hampshire, June 21, 1788. New Hampshire was the ninth state to do so, and with its ratification, the Constitution was officially in effect.

How did our representatives mark the occasion? Retro-active immunity for Teclo’s, with a majority of Republicans and 104 Democrats voting to disregard the Fourth Amendment in the name of “protecting America.”

I have to ask, what is it we are protecting if we lay the interests of corporations and warrantless wire-tapping before the very document that makes America unique from those we fight against?

Learn more about the FISA revamp here.

-Jason

What an Amazing opertunity

2008-06-20T19:56:00.000-07:00

Read this today and wanted to give it notice here as well. Got me to thinking of the people and the opertunitys i to have had in the past. There are more and more heros dieing everyday and we are not getting there storys. and opertunitys like this are not going to happen anymore. I was part of a detail that laid to rest a horse marine it was the greatest source of pride and sadness when his son told us the things his father had done and his love for the corps i wanted so bad to have been able to just have asked the man to tell me his history and shake his hand and say thanks his own family had no idea what those things they were telling us ment or how important there father was and what he had gone threw they had never bothered to ask further when he would mention it, how sad!

Sgt Grit,
In February of 2004 myself and 15 of my fellow Marines were selected, from 2/6 Wpns Co. 81's Plt. currently on deployment in Okinawa, to go on a six week training opp in the Philippines, we were joined by Fox Co. and all there to help the "new" helicopter pilots with live fire operations. All went well and we were sent back to Okinawa.

Being the only fully equipped Marine Co. with my Weapons Co. attachment close by we were asked to stop in at Iwo Jima and escort the Veterans around the island for the anniversary. That was the most powerful experience in my young life and will no doubt never be forgotten. I can't explain the feeling of being on the troop transport slowly climbing wave after wave inching towards the island. It would be unimaginable to do that under fire, the ramp slowly dropped and one truck drove off.... dropped strait to the axels in "the sands of Iwo Jima." Walking around the beach waiting to get the truck out I would sink up to my ankles in the sand... mind you I have no gear on, just cammies and a weapon. And to hear the stories of all the men who returned to the island that tried to take their lives... a very sobering experience, the details they remembered the colors and expressions on the faces of their opponents. every detail as if it were yesterday.

I was very lucky to get to meet so many heroes in one spot, there are fewer and fewer survivors able to make trips like that and I will never forget it. Today I have a small amount of the "Sand" in a bottle on my shelf, just to remind myself of the sacrifices made before me. Thank you one and all.

Michael A Weiss
Cpl USMC 2000-2004

A sad day! but is it over?

2008-06-20T19:34:00.001-07:00

Yes Yes my friends it is over Ron Paul has officaly laid down his pitch fork and we no longer have any hope for the constitution of the United States of America, BUT is it time? is it time? for us to pick up are pitch forks and continue on the fight.
Some folks to are west seem to think they can continue on the fight as this article points out are friends in Nevada yes that land of sex gambling hotels and casino's is fighting on for the rights of us all.

(06-17) 15:34 PDT Carson City, Nev. (AP) --

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul's campaign is over, but Paul backers and others still plan to resume a recessed Nevada GOP convention June 28 — ahead of a July 26 date set by the party's executive committee.

The party's April 26 state convention abruptly ended prior to final votes on what was shaping up as a national convention delegation with more backers for Paul than for presumptive GOP presidential nominee John McCain.

"It's not about Ron Paul versus John McCain. It's about right versus wrong," Sparks dentist and Paul supporter Wayne Terhune said Tuesday.

Terhune said he'd pay for a room at the Grand Sierra Resort in Reno big enough to handle nearly 700 people or more, and others who also want the June 28 event have offered to help cover costs.

Terhune maintains that under party rules the convention can reconvene as long as a majority is present. Nearly 1,400 Republicans were at the party's April 26 convention.

Paul said last week that he's ending his campaign but will keep spreading his message by working to help elect libertarian-leaning Republicans to public office. He also will host a Sept. 2 alternative mini-convention when the national GOP convention is being held in St. Paul, Minn.

The Nevada Republican Party's executive committee decided earlier this month on the July 26 date to resume the state convention. Zachary Moyle, the state GOP's executive director, said completion of the April convention had been in the works "from Day One."

The July convention will be held in the same place it started, at the Peppermill hotel-casino in Reno. Moyle said the late-July convention would provide plenty of time for 31 state GOP delegates to the party's national convention to prepare for that event.

Paul backers were upset by the recess at the April 26 convention and expressed concern about getting fair treatment when it resumes. Party leaders have insisted the Paul supporters won't be disenfranchised.

Well my ? is, is it time to pick up are pitch forks and over throw and start over was 200 and some odd years a long enough run for the land we love so much? Or is it save able does P-Diddy own the only Constitution that has not been pised spit, and walked on!

My blood line has fought in every conflict large or small sence 1775 when a few patriots got togather in tun's tavern and decided to overthrow the greatest military force at the time and start a new free and better nation! Have we got to that point again is it now time to start over? I know people are saying man move to Idaho and Montana and join the rest of the nuts nut job, But I am serious and am asking can we save the Constitution that has set free and broke so many bonds of man kind or have we enslaved and voted areselves into slavery? What do you think?

Are we the worlds police?

2008-06-15T09:32:00.001-07:00

Well now that we are going to have to gather evidence and read maranda rights on the battle field i think its time we ask are we the worlds police? I mean this in all seriousness has the world became small enough and has the market provided that we should unit as one world we have apparently adapted foriegn law into are law. and we go about the world policing it like a giant babysitter if were going to make shure everyone has what we have why dont we go to the rest of the problems darfur Nigeria, uganda the cango, samalia, invade Burma, china, and start alowing all of the people who are being wronged in the world to appell to the united states justice system.
And a note to all the men prepairing to go out on the battle field today remember your k-bar, m-16, MRE's Vlak Jaket, and dont forget your handcuffs, tazer and rubber gloves and evidence bags dont touch anything tell the CSI guys show up and remember to duck and cover from those rpg's while your trying to find that dna evidence.

screwed by the suits again

2008-06-15T09:11:00.000-07:00

Once again the guys in the fatiges are being screwed by the suits again. 5 people who have never been in a conflict ducked a bullet set safley 1000's of miles away in the saftey being provided by others who are dieing and bleeding, while under the blanket of are security they screwed us again
When will they ever stop trying to politisice and glorify war.
Here is the Geneva Conventions rules and regulations on detaining and holding prisoners of war
it is 64 pages long if you got a free couple of hours read it http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm
this is just the section on prisoners of war.
there are many other so called rules of war probley the largest and most assinine oxymoron i have ever heard
but under there rules i would like to point out that enemy conbatiants detained in civilian cloths and armed are to be considered spies and as such you are able to be execute upon capture.
lets just take care of this on are own Fire team leaders

How you win a war (highley Contreversal)

2008-06-08T08:56:00.000-07:00

This will probley be my most contreversial and hated post but it shows my true side and belief though.
If you just youthinise him your right you kill him very humanly and the rest of the islamic extriemist comunity makes him out to be a marter and some people have a little relief that he is no longer in the world because they lost someone on 9-11, but in 5 years when there is another attake because the extreamist used it as a ralleying cry to take a 8 year old boy that was starving and convince him to blow himself up in the middle of a crowded subway line.
We dont believe in tourcher i highly disagree with,
If you wanted to use his execution effectivly, and actully deture from haveing this war continue, you would execute him in a way that would make him not be able to enter his heaven in his believes, and show his death to all the extreamist so that they can see it as a deteriant and not a marter
also it steams from if you want to stop suicide bombers (whos familys are paid for there sacrifice)
you go to the family of the sucide bomber and you execute them in front of everyone in that town so that anyone thinking of doing the same sees that there family does not recieve the beneffit
I know these thoughts make the average persons stomach turn and it will ralley people to human rights crys and that we dont do that in the united states, but it is how wars are won. that is how the people think and if you are going to send us to battle with them you have to be able to stomach the way the battle is won, That is why you dont take the task of declaring war lightly but once you hand it to the warriors to take care of you do not question the way in wich they accomplish the mission.

This is my recent statement on the For The People Blogg in response to the Question of the Execution or Martyerdom

Thank You Pfc. Ross A. McGinnis

2008-06-05T09:08:00.000-07:00

http://www.medalofhonor.com/index.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/washington/03medal.html

This week the Medal of Honor was awarded to Pfc Ross A. McGinnis
what an amazing young man
the story of Pfc McGinnis is not uncommon in the line of medal of honor holders but it is highly uncommon in people today
read his story read how he knowingly sacrifised himself to save his brothers and maybe when your bitching about the price of fuel and everything else in this world kiss your kids goodnight under the blanket of safty that Pfc McGinnis provided for you and just think of his mother and fathers sacrifice and maybe befor your head hits the pillow tonight pray for his 4 brothers in arms that were saved to fight another day.

Now Educated

2008-06-05T08:16:00.001-07:00

And now for and educated none glue eater look at Obama

I have to write this post, I came down hard on Hillary when she made the statment about the snipper fire in Bosnia, it still gets me fired up
In my opinion Barak Husain Obama did the same thing with his comments about His relative and remembering how they were after they returned home from the war and they were involved in the freeing of Auschwitze

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Damnit from the on set you know it is a lie just like Hillary, but with Barak i am mad even more hello this guy is suposedly Ivey leage educated did he not take a history class. I am pre no child left behind educated and i know that the russians were the ones that found Auschwitze
Im also a Military History buff now so i also know that the first consentration camp that was found by a united states unit was the 101st airborne and this is a very distinguished unit wich i have the up most respect and love for so Mr. Obama here is your chance who is your relative in the 101st becouse i know all of the living members and i have the 8 dvds that interviews them they also meet every year and 4 years ago there meeting was here in Utah
Also most people are familor with the Band of Brothers movie done by HBO wich cronicals the 101st so you realy picked the wrong thing to lie about.
I know that it is just political retoric that these canadtes use to try and find comon ground with the "common" people
Jason Williams said it well yesterday on the for the people radio show, It is up to the voteing public to question them harder and make shure they do not get away with it, as long as we continue to allow politics to work as usual they will continue to use the usual.

Im sorry Mr Obama but that did it to me you do not lie about military service or snipper fire
and now for a little right wing retoric of my own
so unless mr obama your relative was fighting in the red army and was involved in the freeing of Poland and the march for Berlin by the Russians, wich i could see maybe that explains alot about your ideas on takeing money from the large companys with a Joseph Stolin force tax and your look at a socialist type government and health care plan maybe that would explain alot and now we will have to start calling you Mr Barak Husain Mekel Obama Putin Gorbachof or maybe you could anounce that the resain that Mr. Putin has given up his presidential spot is becouse he will be your vice president running mate

See see how unefective and ugly and bogas retoric is. Please can we just stick to the problems at hand and lets hold people to the truth if you going to make a statment back it up becouse military service records are easy to check

Interesting Post

2008-06-05T08:14:00.000-07:00

Over on the Side Track my good buddy jasonthe has this post today
its interesting check it out and let me know what you think

6.04.2008

Glue Eaters With Send Buttons

From my Inbox this morning:

I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it!

A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine that America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves. Pause a moment, reflect back. These events are actual events from history. They really happened!!!

Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40.

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

8. In 1988 , Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya an d Tanzania were bombed by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim male extremists between the of 17 and 40.

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by-- you guessed it-- Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people...Absolutely No Profiling!

They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.

According to The Book of Revelations:

The Anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE

Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, he will destroy everything.

And Now: For the award winning Act of Stupidity of all times the People of America want to elect, to the most Powerful position on the face of the Planet -- The Presidency of the United states of America

A Muslim Male Extremist Between the ages of 17 and 40.

Have the American People completely lost their Minds, or just their Power of Reason ???

I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the 'unknown' candidate Obama...

Let's send this to as many people as we can so that the Gloria Aldreds and other stupid attorneys along with Federal Justices that want to thwart common sense, feel ashamed of themselves -- if they have any such sense.

As the writer of the award winning story 'Forrest Gump' so aptly put it,

'Stupid Is As Stupid Does.'

Indeed. One could spend time picking apart the logical inconsistencies in this "argument" (How can Obama be a Muslim, and also an "extremist" for belonging to a Christian church? It's so confusing! Which paranoid irrationality should I adhere to?!!!). But that would be a waste of time. The person who forwarded this to you is obviously not overly concerned with self-education.

I would suggest you simply reply with a kind note to the sender (remembering that every day is probably their "first day") suggesting that perhaps they are not ready for the internet without adult supervision. Then thank them for the laughter they provide. Sphere: Related Content

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No apologies

2008-05-25T23:46:00.000-07:00

Recently on the rush limbau program a man called in and it was the same old rederic about mitt romeney and the LDS church and there stance on blacks and the priesthood.
I have got to write about this subject. I know it is a sensitive one but i think very few people know much about the actual facts and if John McCain realy does pick Mitt Romeney as his running mate this is going to come up all over the place if Barak Obama is the opposing canadate
First let me say that i dont think the church needs to apolagize for anything they have stood on both sides of the issue threw out history and they have stood by what they believed in and what there doctorine is no matter how unpopular it was to the Majority
Few people know that Joseph Smith was an actual canadite for President of the United States few people know that after 2 times he was actuley a very possible canadite with a large population following after him it was his stance against Slavery probley the hottest topic of the time that was one of the reasons of the hatred against him it was his over whelming amount of votes that he could bring in from the south Missouri becouse of the churches large population there still at the time he was a canadite that could win and the talk of the time was unite the south and north. This was also one of the reasons Mobs were after him his stance against slavery.
Many people know the story about Joseph Smith haveing a recently converted slave show up in Nauvoo he had been baptized recently had exscaped and ran away. At the time the law was very strict against those who escaped and those who harberd them. Joseph told the man he needed to return to his master, odd some might say, but he continued and promiced the man he would be ok. Joseph then turned sold his own horse then went and bought the mans freedom.
Many know this story but few know what else Joseph returned with, He returned with records of the slaves and the free slaves of the times the church has recently released the Freedman's Bank Records
this work and many others never would have been possible if not for the churchs work in the early 1800s
the other think that was extreamly unpopular at the time all black members of the church at the time were given all rights and an equal vote in the church and sustaining offices and callings in the church
the closest thing to that at the time was the demacrats leting the votes of a black man count at 3/5 of a vote
the church has put forth an amazing effort to bring more then 500000 names of the slaves and the african american geneolagy to the world and it would have been possible if they had not gone so contraditory to the thoughts of the times and worked so hard at compialing the work
as the saints moved west there stance on slavery and womans right to vote followed them this was one of the things that kept utah from being a state for so long because the church alowed women and blacks to vote very contradictory to the thought of the times
as the church progressed they have continued to stand up for equal rights.
The revelation in the 70's was given opening up the Priesthood to blacks some say this was a following of the human rights and equal movement of the time. No this was working threw the churchs way. It was the world finaly catching up to were the church had been for more then a hundred years
please if you have ?'s about this lets talk about it

Memorial Day

2008-05-23T20:20:00.001-07:00

I have got to let everyone know about this site it is memorial day weekend people and sence we cant afford to do the normal traveling this year lets remember Memorial Day for what it was made for.
http://go.footnote.com/thewall/

This is the most amazing site take 10 minutes and read a story just at randem or look up someone you know make the loss of these more then 50000 names personal people we have 2 wars going on and deaths happening everyday. Allot of people have compared the war in Iraq with The war in Vietnam. That is another debate for another day. But Please people remember the men and women that have died for this country we are so busy driveing into the ground.

Can You imagine

2008-05-17T01:03:00.001-07:00

Do you think anyone has the balls to do this today, or is there anyone out there that has this much smarts,
Einstine said it was becouse he stood on the shoulders of all those who came before him that he could see so far

It is because of are for fathers like this man that we are where we are today, what the hell are we doing to there legasy
Its a long story but if you cant take the time to read it you will never make the sacrifice it will take to make this nation great again

Originally published in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett," by Edward Sylvester Ellis.

One day in the House of Representatives a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The speaker was just about to put the question when Crockett arose:

"Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member on this floor knows it.

We have the right as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I ever heard that the government was in arrears to him.

"Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and, of course, was lost.

Later, when asked by a friend why he had opposed the appropriation, Crockett gave this explanation:

"Several years ago I was one evening standing on the steps of the Capitol with some members of Congress, when our attention was attracted by a great light over in Georgetown. It was evidently a large fire. We jumped into a hack and drove over as fast as we could. In spite of all that could be done, many houses were burned and many families made houseless, and besides, some of them had lost all but the clothes they had on. The weather was very cold, and when I saw so many children suffering, I felt that something ought to be done for them. The next morning a bill was introduced appropriating $20,000 for their relief. We put aside all other business and rushed it through as soon as it could be done.

"The next summer, when it began to be time to think about election, I concluded I would take a scout around among the boys of my district. I had no opposition there but, as the election was some time off, I did not know what might turn up. When riding one day in a part of my district in which I was more of a stranger than any other, I saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward the road. I gauged my gait so that we should meet as he came up, I spoke to the man. He replied politely, but as I thought, rather coldly.

"I began: 'Well friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called candidates and---

"Yes I know you; you are Colonel Crockett. I have seen you once before, and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you are out electioneering now, but you had better not waste your time or mine, I shall not vote for you again."

"This was a sockdolger...I begged him tell me what was the matter.

"Well Colonel, it is hardly worthwhile to waste time or words upon it. I do not see how it can be mended, but you gave a vote last winter which shows that either you have not capacity to understand the Constitution, or that you are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be guided by it. In either case you are not the man to represent me. But I beg your pardon for expressing it that way. I did not intend to avail myself of the privilege of the constituent to speak plainly to a candidate for the purpose of insulting you or wounding you.'

"I intend by it only to say that your understanding of the constitution is very different from mine; and I will say to you what but for my rudeness, I should not have said, that I believe you to be honest.

But an understanding of the constitution different from mine I cannot overlook, because the Constitution, to be worth anything, must be held sacred, and rigidly observed in all its provisions. The man who wields power and misinterprets it is the more dangerous the honest he is.'

" 'I admit the truth of all you say, but there must be some mistake. Though I live in the backwoods and seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington and read very carefully all the proceedings of Congress. My papers say you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some sufferers by fire in Georgetown. Is that true?

"Well my friend; I may as well own up. You have got me there. But certainly nobody will complain that a great and rich country like ours should give the insignificant sum of $20,000 to relieve its suffering women and children, particularly with a full and overflowing treasury, and I am sure, if you had been there, you would have done just the same as I did.'

"It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle. In the first place, the government ought to have in the Treasury no more than enough for its legitimate purposes. But that has nothing with the question. The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man, particularly under our system of collecting revenue by a tariff, which reaches every man in the country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is the more he pays in proportion to his means.

What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how much he pays to the government. So you see, that while you are contributing to relieve one, you are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off than he.

If you had the right to give anything, the amount was simply a matter of discretion with you, and you had as much right to give $20,000,000 as $20,000. If you have the right to give at all; and as the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, you are at liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe, or profess to believe, is a charity and to any amount you may think proper. You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other. 'No, Colonel, Congress has no right to give charity.'

"'Individual members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose. If twice as many houses had been burned in this country as in Georgetown, neither you nor any other member of Congress would have Thought of appropriating a dollar for our relief. There are about two hundred and forty members of Congress. If they had shown their sympathy for the sufferers by contributing each one week's pay, it would have made over $13,000. There are plenty of wealthy men around Washington who could have given $20,000 without depriving themselves of even a luxury of life.'

"The congressmen chose to keep their own money, which, if reports be true, some of them spend not very creditably; and the people about Washington, no doubt, applauded you for relieving them from necessity of giving what was not yours to give. The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution.'

"'So you see, Colonel, you have violated the Constitution in what I consider a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits of the Constitution, there is no limit to it, and no security for the people. I have no doubt you acted honestly, but that does not make it any better, except as far as you are personally concerned, and you see that I cannot vote for you.'

"I tell you I felt streaked. I saw if I should have opposition, and this man should go to talking and in that district I was a gone fawn-skin. I could not answer him, and the fact is, I was so fully convinced that he was right, I did not want to. But I must satisfy him, and I said to him:

"Well, my friend, you hit the nail upon the head when you said I had not sense enough to understand the Constitution. I intended to be guided by it, and thought I had studied it fully. I have heard many speeches in Congress about the powers of Congress, but what you have said here at your plow has got more hard, sound sense in it than all the fine speeches I ever heard. If I had ever taken the view of it that you have, I would have put my head into the fire before I would have given that vote; and if you will forgive me and vote for me again, if I ever vote for another unconstitutional law I wish I may be shot.'

"He laughingly replied; 'Yes, Colonel, you have sworn to that once before, but I will trust you again upon one condition. You are convinced that your vote was wrong. Your acknowledgment of it will do more good than beating you for it. If, as you go around the district, you will tell people about this vote, and that you are satisfied it was wrong, I will not only vote for you, but will do what I can to keep down opposition, and perhaps, I may exert some little influence in that way.'

"If I don't, said I, 'I wish I may be shot; and to convince you that I am in earnest in what I say I will come back this way in a week or ten days, and if you will get up a gathering of people, I will make a speech to them. Get up a barbecue, and I will pay for it.'

"No, Colonel, we are not rich people in this section but we have plenty of provisions to contribute for a barbecue, and some to spare for those who have none. The push of crops will be over in a few days, and we can then afford a day for a barbecue. 'This Thursday; I will see to getting it up on Saturday week. Come to my house on Friday, and we will go together, and I promise you a very respectable crowd to see and hear you.

"'Well I will be here. But one thing more before I say good-bye. I must know your name."

"'My name is Bunce.'

"'Not Horatio Bunce?'

"'Yes

"'Well, Mr. Bunce, I never saw you before, though you say you have seen me, but I know you very well. I am glad I have met you, and very proud that I may hope to have you for my friend.'

"It was one of the luckiest hits of my life that I met him. He mingled but little with the public, but was widely known for his remarkable intelligence, and for a heart brim-full and running over with kindness and benevolence, which showed themselves not only in words but in acts. He was the oracle of the whole country around him, and his fame had extended far beyond the circle of his immediate acquaintance. Though I had never met him, before, I had heard much of him, and but for this meeting it is very likely I should have had opposition, and had been beaten. One thing is very certain, no man could now stand up in that district under such a vote.

"At the appointed time I was at his house, having told our conversation to every crowd I had met, and to every man I stayed all night with, and I found that it gave the people an interest and confidence in me stronger than I had ever seen manifested before.

"Though I was considerably fatigued when I reached his house, and, under ordinary circumstances, should have gone early to bed, I kept him up until midnight talking about the principles and affairs of government, and got more real, true knowledge of them than I had got all my life before."

"I have known and seen much of him since, for I respect him - no, that is not the word - I reverence and love him more than any living man, and I go to see him two or three times every year; and I will tell you, sir, if every one who professes to be a Christian lived and acted and enjoyed it as he does, the religion of Christ would take the world by storm.

"But to return to my story. The next morning we went to the barbecue and, to my surprise, found about a thousand men there. I met a good many whom I had not known before, and they and my friend introduced me around until I had got pretty well acquainted - at least, they all knew me.

"In due time notice was given that I would speak to them. They gathered up around a stand that had been erected. I opened my speech by saying:

"Fellow-citizens - I present myself before you today feeling like a new man. My eyes have lately been opened to truths which ignorance or prejudice or both, had heretofore hidden from my view. I feel that I can today offer you the ability to render you more valuable service than I have ever been able to render before. I am here today more for the purpose of acknowledging my error than to seek your votes. That I should make this acknowledgment is due to myself as well as to you. Whether you will vote for me is a matter for your consideration only."

"I went on to tell them about the fire and my vote for the appropriation and then told them why I was satisfied it was wrong. I closed by saying:

"And now, fellow-citizens, it remains only for me to tell you that the most of the speech you have listened to with so much interest was simply a repetition of the arguments by which your neighbor, Mr. Bunce, convinced me of my error.

"It is the best speech I ever made in my life, but he is entitled to the credit for it. And now I hope he is satisfied with his convert and that he will get up here and tell you so.'

"He came up to the stand and said:

"Fellow-citizens - it affords me great pleasure to comply with the request of Colonel Crockett. I have always considered him a thoroughly honest man, and I am satisfied that he will faithfully perform all that he has promised you today.'

"He went down, and there went up from that crowd such a shout for Davy Crockett as his name never called forth before.'

"I am not much given to tears, but I was taken with a choking then and felt some big drops rolling down my cheeks. And I tell you now that the remembrance of those few words spoken by such a man, and the honest, hearty shout they produced, is worth more to me than all the honors I have received and all the reputation I have ever made, or ever shall make, as a member of Congress.'

"Now, sir," concluded Crockett, "you know why I made that speech yesterday. "There is one thing which I will call your attention, "you remember that I proposed to give a week's pay. There are in that House many very wealthy men - men who think nothing of spending a week's pay, or a dozen of them, for a dinner or a wine party when they have something to accomplish by it. Some of those same men made beautiful speeches upon the great debt of gratitude which the country owed the deceased--a debt which could not be paid by money--and the insignificance and worthlessness of money, particularly so insignificant a sum as $20,000 when weighed against the honor of the nation. Yet not one of them responded to my proposition. Money with them is nothing but trash when it is to come out of the people. But it is the one great thing for which most of them are striving, and many of them sacrifice honor, integrity, and justice to obtain it."

Were are the true conservitives

2008-05-17T00:29:00.000-07:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txhabgZF_gE&NR=1

Man watch and learn.
this week i cant believe everthing happend in one week.
why is it people in utah think that if they are homophobs and want to bring back proabition they are true conservitives my gosh people.

Weak Weak Weak people

2008-05-11T23:22:00.000-07:00

I can not stand the constant winning of people over the terrible thin that is going on right now in Mianmar, The same people that are winning about it and Darfur and Africa are the same people that are crying becouse of the deaths in Iraq the same people that forced us out of Samolia
When you are bringing food into starving people you have to bring it in with guns bigger guns then the people that want it.
you dont take a shipment of money around without armed force protecting it belive me food is more important and far more powerful. There are curantly 4 U.S. ships sitting outside of thiland loaded to the brim with food and have the marine forces ready to bring it in. I would like to throw out that ONE marine unit could bring this food in over throw this completly bull shit ragieme and feed the people in a matter of hours, The problem is the winning would start in a matter of minutes the winning by the UN that they need to be invalved the winning from russia and china that we have a military force in there part of the world, the whinning
from are own people about why are we there why are are kids dieing there yada yady yada, STOP Whining about it if you are not willing to fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personal Servey

2008-05-08T17:41:00.000-07:00

I am working on a essay as a future post on the Cost of Life
i want to know how many of you care about the deaths that are happening in Mianmar because of the none willingness of there military coe leaders to let us bring aid in
let me know

I wish we had another BranchDavidian on are Hands in Texas

2008-05-03T22:24:00.000-07:00

Honestly I wish the FLDS raid would have been a little more like the hole David Coresh and the branch davidian compound from years ago. Let me explain.
I have tried to fight so much for the Rights that are so grossly being over looked for the people in the FLDS compound. I think that I am with the minority because I am ok with a lot of there believes and I think they definently have the right to practice there religion. Tonight why I was thinking about it though I thought about what I would do. That is why we want to fight for there rights because if we let it slide who is to say that the next state or Child services wont kick are door down because are believes are weird.
So what would I have done? The fact of the matter is if you love someone you fight for them. No matter what even when my spouse is wrong she knows I got her back and I will fight for her.(ill just make fun of her being wrong that night together)
If anyone tries anything with my children they are dead no questions no second guessing they are dead.
So if someone was coming to take my wives or children away from me I would kill them there would be helicopters over my head and people would be dropping like flies until I am dead and then I would punch St. Peter in the mouth come back and fire off one more shot.
If you are a rapist or a pedophile you don’t care about your victim. You give them up with out a fight..With the cases I was involved in for my short time with the county sheriff it seemed like deep down they felt guilty and wanted to be caught. It seems that way with this case as well. That is why I wish so badly that these men had turned it into another branch davidian. Even with the sect groups and people that get out of the FLDS here. They worry about there little brothers and sisters. They worry about there family back. Just like Solomon went to cut the baby in half to find the true mother. We need a judge to be as wise as Solomon with this case and im sorry to say I haven’t seen it yet in the judges in Texas. The children are aching for there sibling and Texas has divided them some of the mothers are begging for there children. This is were the true love is found. Where the hell have the so called fathers diapered to.
There are mothers who will have a baby in the Gastation bathroom and discard it into the dumpster, so sadly in this day and age we cant even just count on the mother intuition things to sort this case out some of these mothers are giving up there kids to pedophiles. But sibling need to be together to get threw this crazy hard time together and the mothers even under age Mothers! Who love and want there kids need them.
You know each one of those foster families are not under police protection, even if a father broke in and took his kids back and disapeared back to Hildaile so they could be togather, I could support that. It would at least be showing some fathers love. I just wish they would fight themselves it would at least give us some ammo to fight for them as well. Just giving up shows they are guilty and just like any other pediphile they will disapear and go find another playground to find the next victim.

Something for us all who have sent rounds down range to think about

2008-05-03T21:26:00.001-07:00

THE FINAL
INSPECTION

The Marine stood and faced God,

Which must always come to pass.

He hoped his shoes were shining,

Just as brightly as his brass.

"Step forward now, Marine,

How shall I deal with you?

Have you always turned the other cheek?

To My Church have you been true?"

The soldier squared his shoulders and said,

"No, Lord, I guess I ain't.

Because those of us who carry guns,

Can't always be a saint.

I've had to work most Sundays,

And at times my talk was tough.

And sometimes I've been violent,

Because the world is awfully rough.

But, I never took a penny,

That wasn't mine to keep...

Though I worked a lot of overtime,

When the bills got just too steep.

And I never passed a cry for help,

Though at times I shook with fear.

And sometimes, God, forgive me,

I've wept unmanly tears.

I know I don't deserve a place,

Among the people here.

They never wanted me around,

Except to calm their fears

If you've a place for me here, Lord,

It needn't be so grand.

I never expected or had too much,

But if you don't, I'll understand.

There was a silence all around the throne,

Where the saints had often trod.

As the Marine waited quietly,

For the judgment of his God.

"Step forward now, you Marine,

You've borne your burdens well.

Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,

You've done your time in Hell."

~Author Unknown~

Meaning of Matthew 18-6

2008-05-01T19:31:00.000-07:00

My good friend over at For the people Tom grover had this to say

End the suffering for the FLDS kids

From the Tribune:

Dallas attorney Polly R. O’Toole said she visited two facilities on Monday: Boysville Inc., which has 17 FLDS children; and Baptist Children’s Residential Emergency Shelter, which has 71. Staff at the facilities are “generous, caring and concerned” but also complained about the lack of information and direction from CPS, she said.
She also said that, contrary to a courtroom pledge by CPS, sibling groups have been split up. Eight children from one monogamous family have been sent to five different shelters, she said. Another little girl is in a shelter an hour away from the group home where her sisters are, O’Toole said.
Azar acknowledged the state had broken up sibling groups but said officials were working to reunite at least some of them. He said making placements was difficult given that the “children don’t even want to answer you what their name is and where they feel everyone is their brother and sister.”

These kids are being abused by the State of Texas. And no one cares because of the indignation that comes with accusations of sex crimes. No one is watching out for their individual rights. They are guilty of having weird parents, which in Texas, is apparently a crime punished by incompetent administration of custody by Texas CPS.

Come on, Texas.

If there have been sex crimes, figure out who is responsible and prosecute them.

And liberate the rest of the children and send them home. They are suffering being away from their siblings, parents and community.

This is wrong, cruel and un-American.

1. Matt. 18: 6
  
  6 But whoso shall ^aoffend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

-Tom

Comments

Comment from Kara
Time: April 30, 2008, 12:33 pm

Your use of the Bible to support your point confuses me. Matthew 18:6 is talking about “offending” in the sense that if a person causes a little one to fall away (from their saving faith in Jesus), they should be cast out of the kingdom of heaven. I don’t see the connection you’re stretching to make between the state of Texas and you saying they should be cast from heaven. That’s too much of an inaccurate use of the Bible. Perhaps a closer examination of scripture is needed.

Comment from Tom Grover
Time: April 30, 2008, 2:11 pm

Kara,

Everyone interprets the Bible differently (which is why Christianity is fragmented). I interpret it as Jesus has little patience and an abundance of vengence for those who harm children.

Comment from Kara
Time: April 30, 2008, 4:23 pm

Tom,

If you are going to interpret the Bible, you you should be interpreting it according to the context the verse is in, not according to what you think or want it to say to support your viewpoints. If you look at the context of Matthew 18- you will see Jesus is talking about entering the kingdom of heaven and what needs to be done to enter it, not about the treatment of children on earth.

Comment from Tom Grover
Time: April 30, 2008, 5:00 pm

If that’s how you read the Bible, I totally support you in your interpretation.

Comment from Kara
Time: April 30, 2008, 9:48 pm

I’m by no means looking for support on Biblical interpretation from you, Tom. I’m simply encouraging you to make sure your facts (in this case Bible interpretation) are accurate before you go posting them on your site. Your posting would have still been if you had left the scripture verse out of it.

Comment from James
Time: May 1, 2008, 4:57 pm

Heads-Up people,
Texas did exactly the right thing to step in and put a stop to child & women abuse, rape and polygamy in the FLDS and their sympathizers from spreading. As Sen. Harry Reid suggests, it is shameful that the State Attorney Generals of Utah, Nevada, Colorado, etc., continue to tolerate the unlawful treatment of children by these rape/pedophile acts in their own communities and bury their heads in the sand. People need to write and urge their own States to take similar action and investigate, prosecute and jail the organized LDS criminals, as the Texans intend to do. Thanks Texas for taking legal action to stop the rampant LDS pedophiles and their accomplices in this twisted faith.
Logan, UT

Comment from Tom Grover
Time: May 1, 2008, 5:04 pm

James, if there has been abuse, where is the evidence?

Comment from Aaron Orgill
Time: May 1, 2008, 5:36 pm

Kara, who died and made you Pope, or Supreme Pastor?

Comment from plowking
Time: May 1, 2008, 8:16 pm

Kara, Let me start with i found your comments very interesting in the fact that i would love to go back into the marines as a Non-denominational chaplain, In such i have studied many diffrent religions, and i have always heard Christian pastors and other chaplains use this verse similar to what tom is saying. I have heard many say that we are all God are Fathers little ones and so by offending a believer, you are offending one of are Fathers little ones ver. 7 if this is what you are refering to ok. But i would say tom is dead on. God is a God of justices as well and justices must be served. And if the abuse charges of these men are true they best be looking for a milestone and the deapest part of the ocean they can find when his judgements are being handed out and that goes for the texas officals as well in there treatment of these kids as cattle. They are not just another herd taken off a ranch i am realy suprised they havnt followed Hitlers lead and branded these kids with a number to keep track of them maybe then they would know how to count we have seen there lack of education in numbers

As you can see Kara's comments got me thinking and i would realy like to hear everybodys comments and thoughts on this i am plowking and also i tried posting this but it didnt come up

Further more matthew 18 you are right Christ is talking about what it takes to enter his kingdom and the subject of forgiving are trespassers there trespasses. This rule is to be followed in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. then Christ goes on to say about his little ones, Which as i said before can be interpreted as us all. But if Christ the forgiver of all has a hard time forgiving such actions against his little ones that should say something to the offenses against the completely innocent. As with all of Christs teachings it is a parable and can be dove into deeper and deeper with every line but i think there is a reason that in ver. 2 Jesus called the little child to come befor them and stay in there midst while he tought the parrible.

Sorry tom for turning your blog into a religious descusion but i gess us crazy theocons do that Kara please share more of your interpritations with me thow as i said i would love to hear a new point. if you want continue on my blog http://thenationstavern.blogspot.com/

The war on Property rights strikes early

2008-04-27T14:12:00.000-07:00

Well all of you who know me know i rairly take time off to work on my own place. The coblers kids always go with out shoes kind of thing.

Well saturday i decided to stay home and work on my own place. got the posts in for my fence and left to go get some more plants. come home to see my neighbors on my door. Ive been fighting for property rights and here the battle comes to my house seems one of my neighbors dosnt like my fence or the way i landscape my yard well gess what its mine
I own .16 of an acre the smallest size you can have in logan. Im trying to get a little more ground over in idaho bear lake country. With this i wouldnt be more happyier if i was cesar with all of the roman empire
but why the hell do people think they can tell me what i can do with my own little peace of earth
well the line has been drawn and the war has started
just like are ships fired a warning shot accross the bawls of the Irainins this week. My no trespassing signs are up and to quote from the movie paint your wagons "you dont have to love your neighbor you just leave the bastard alone"
to inforce your stupid ideas to all those that think they can tell someone else what to do with there own property i ask is it worth dieing for? becouse to those of us whos rights are being infringed upon it is worth killing for. In the marines we take an oath to protect from all enemies both forign and domestic well i would consider them domestic terrorists. How are they diffrent from an islamic terrorist who wants to impose his believes on us.

Real Snipper Fire

2008-04-27T09:25:00.001-07:00

Hey Hillary this is what it is realy like to come under fire.

Afghan president safe after fleeing gunfire at Kabul event

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Afghan President Hamid Karzai, center, is seen on U.S. Humvee as he heads to inspect the Afghan forces at a ceremony marking the 16th anniversary the defeat of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in Kabul, Afghanistan on Sunday April 27, 2008 Automatic gunfire broke out at the ceremony, forcing dignitaries including the Afghanistan's president to take cover. A defense ministry spokesman says President Hamid Karzai, all Cabinet members and foreign diplomats are safe. (AP Photo/Musadeq Sadeq) (Musadeq Sadeq - AP)

An Afghan soldier carries his company's flag as he runs during a ceremony marking the 16th
anniversary of the defeat of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in Kabul, Afghanistan on Sunday, April 27, 2008. Automatic gunfire broke out at the ceremony, forcing dignitaries including Afghanistan's president to take cover. (AP Photo/Musadeq Sadeq) (Musadeq Sadeq - AP)

An Afghan soldier takes cover after a gun battle during a ceremony marking the 16th anniversary of the defeat of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in Kabul, Afghanistan on Sunday, April 27, 2008. The automatic gunfire forced dignitaries including Afghanistan's president to take cover. (AP Photo/Musadeq Sadeq) (Musadeq Sadeq - AP)

Afghan soldiers run after a gun battle during a ceremony marking the 16th anniversary of defeat of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in Kabul, Afghanistan on Sunday April 27, 2008. Automatic gunfire broke out at the ceremony, forcing dignitaries including Afghanistan's president to take cover. (AP Photo/Musadeq Sadeq) (Musadeq Sadeq - AP)

By AMIR SHAH

The Associated Press
Sunday, April 27, 2008; 9:48 AM

KABUL, Afghanistan -- Suspected Taliban militants attacked a ceremony attended by the Afghan president on Sunday, unleashing automatic weapons fire that sent foreign dignitaries and senior members of the government fleeing for cover.

Three people, including a lawmaker, were killed and eight were wounded. President Hamid Karzai, Cabinet ministers and ambassadors escaped unharmed, the presidential palace said.

Karzai later appeared on television saying several suspects in the attack had been arrested.

He said that "the enemy of Afghanistan" tried to disrupt the ceremony but were thwarted by security forces.

A Taliban spokesman claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it had deployed six militants with suicide vests and guns to target the president. Spokesman Zabiullah Mujaheed said three had died.

A police official, who requested anonymity because of he was not authorized to speak to media, said security forces killed three gunmen who had opened fire from an apartment block not far from the ceremony and confiscated assault rifles and machine guns. Government officials could not immediately confirm that information.

Hundreds of people fled in chaos as shots rang out, just as the national anthem ended at a ceremony to mark the 16th anniversary of Afghanistan's victory over the Soviet invasion.

The gunfire appeared to come from ruined houses about few hundred yards from where the VIPs were seated. Security forces deployed elsewhere opened fire at the houses.

Karzai was escorted from scene, surrounded by bodyguards, in one of four black Landcruisers. A U.S. embassy official said U.S. Ambassador William Wood also escaped unharmed.

Along with lawmaker Fazel Rahman Samkanai, a local Shiite leader and a 10-year-old boy also died in the attack, officials said.

"President Karzai condemns this act and asks for all the people to remain calm," a statement from the presidential palace said.

Karzai, who has led Afghanistan since soon after a U.S.-led invasion ousted the Taliban regime in 2001, has been targeted by assassins before and is constantly shadowed by a phalanx of bodyguards.

Ethical ?

2008-04-26T08:22:00.000-07:00

Ethical ?
as a consevative or not? To all of us who beleve in small government and less taxes yada yady yada
when a big government program is out there that we can beneffit from should we use it? Is that hipacridical? or unethical?
Ill make this argument as a capitalist business man, in business you use anything to get ahead. If i can use the government bonds and grants to move my business ahead. Why not? If I am a farmer why not use the subsadies? If i can qualify for medicad why not use it? or WIC, CHIP, or food stamps
To all of us who just paid are taxes. I hate paying taxes and then hearing later how goverment spend 2 Billion on a project to see how fruit flys F$^#. But the person down the street who realy needs a little help was denied her food stamps clam or medicad and now has outrages medical bills on top of all there other problems. Why cant i just give my tax money to them. Something i think alot of us would rather do. You say well charitable donations are a tax right off you could have. No charitable donations are only if you are in a certian tax bracket.
I hate when it comes down to well we got to go purchase a new truck so we don't eat it on taxes this year. Well in alot of cases I would rather do somthing else with that money but I refuse to pay taxes if i can avoid them. So i say if you can take some money back threw a goverment program use it becouse we we always spend that money better then they will. But dosn't that mean some buricrate is going to take you as a number and next years say well demand is up so we have to raise taxes to cover it.
I would love to see how much taxes is taken and then how much actuly reaches the people in the programs. Charity's have to report those figures like. For every dollar brought in 40 cents gets to the kids. Well i would love for government to tell us how much gets to the people that the taxes are taken for.
So my delema do i use government programs to take my money back and use it more effectivly or do i take a moral stance that no one will see and say no. do i use the cheat in Mario to skip to the castle or do i play all the levels and concor the game.

The right to property

2008-04-25T19:23:00.000-07:00

I just want to start out with this. Becouse it is going to go alot further
I believe the right to property is by far one of are greatest rights we can have. At the same time it is one of are rights that is the most under attack. The right to property is what made america diffrent that is why pesents would give up everything to come here. Its what made it diffrent anyone who was willing to work could own property.
It is the one thing that we can pass on to generations that fallow us. That is why the current attacks on property rights is soooooo against the American dream.

The Nations Tavern Comes online

2008-04-23T22:42:00.001-07:00

The Nations Tavern comes online
In 1775 The Marine Corp was created in Tun's Tavern. A couple of men determined to make the world better then when they entered it. Joined forces and created a place were anyone with the guts and the willingness could come and be what ever they wanted to be under a united partnership of freedom.
I think that that has been lost and needs to be recaptured today. Thus this blogg i want it to be a place were people who have the hart and the guts to make the world better then when they came into it can come togather to create a new nation. I don't want it to be a place were you just nock are leaders. If you dont have an idea on how to fix the problem then you are part of the problem.
so to one to all come, give me all your sick and heavy ladden, your illegal imigrants, minutemen, librals, theocons, conservitives, blue and white caller people we need you all to make a Great Nation the likes of wich has never been seen but has been dreamed of.

The Nations Tavern

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Dont usualy post this stuff but this is a good one

The number ONE reason the pesents will revolt

This is what will lead to the next revolution because i am affraid we will not wake up tell it is to late here is more scary prof of how asleep we are.

Madoff and the Failure of the SEC

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A big thank you to Robert Kiyosaki

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Something for us all who have sent rounds down range to think about

Meaning of Matthew 18-6

End the suffering for the FLDS kids

Comments

The war on Property rights strikes early

Real Snipper Fire

Afghan president safe after fleeing gunfire at Kabul event

Ethical ?

The right to property

The Nations Tavern Comes online